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Dear EVE from a trial player

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Tarrum Tivianne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-08-10 20:49:31 UTC

Dear EVE,

I have just started eve a few days ago, caught on quickly, love this game.
Am on 30 day trial and doing tutorials on windows 10, fast quick no problems, as with all my games.

Today only playing a few days, close to the end of my tutorial i came across a problem i was warned about, code extortion.

I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya"....

Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve.
Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp.

Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it.

BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window.

Thank you all, and good luck.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-08-10 21:00:50 UTC
Dear CCP,

Waaaah.


Yours truly,

New player that can't accept the same rules that Eve has had since day one
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-08-10 21:13:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
All of EvE is a battle zone with non-consensual PvP, except the few dedicated starter systems and Arnon. This is EvE, you agree to that when pressing the undock button. Love it or play something else.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-08-10 21:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Freya Sertan
Tarrum Tivianne wrote:

Dear EVE,

I have just started eve a few days ago, caught on quickly, love this game.
Am on 30 day trial and doing tutorials on windows 10, fast quick no problems, as with all my games.

Today only playing a few days, close to the end of my tutorial i came across a problem i was warned about, code extortion.

I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya"....

Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve.
Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp.

Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it.

BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window.

Thank you all, and good luck.


Learn to stand up for yourself, entitled carebear. If you don't subscribe, good. EvE needs far fewer players with your mentality and your leaving is the best thing for the game.

Now, contract your **** to UaE as per the rules, HTFU and biomass. In that order.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2015-08-10 21:39:21 UTC
You do realize it's outrageously funny to smack CODE. In the teeth right?

Tank up and fit blasters instead of mining lazorz and giggle like feckless Muppet as you go down in a blaze of hilarious glory.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6 - 2015-08-10 21:51:32 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.


not empty quoting
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-08-10 21:54:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
All CODE. can do is shoot your ship, and maybe shoot your pod, neither of those things really matter.
Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose and it will be all good.

Again, it's ok to get shot, you learn something new each time it happens and you improve. That is why this game is fun. It would become boring very quickly if you could be safe whenever you wanted.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#8 - 2015-08-10 22:06:17 UTC
I heard Final Fantasy 14 is a good game.

@lunettelulu7

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#9 - 2015-08-10 23:08:47 UTC
Mine in a Procurer (which is very cheap and a quick train) and Laugh at his silly attempt to take your milk money.





Avvy
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-08-10 23:10:08 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
All of EvE is a battle zone with non-consensual PvP, except the few dedicated starter systems and Arnon. This is EvE, you agree to that when pressing the undock button. Love it or play something else.



Think you mean - All of EVE is a battle zone with consensual PvP.


You consent to PvP by playing EVE.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2015-08-10 23:23:09 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
~~stuff~~

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.


not empty quoting

This about covers it. Eve is meant to have very few boundaries in order to enable a viscerally competitive playground. That includes big fish preying on little fish.

However, there are rules against harassing new players in/near starter systems. In a limited set of locations around Eve, taking advantage of newbies is prohibited. I don't know where your altercation happened, but if you believe it to be cause for CCP to take action, please file a support ticket to get a CCP game master to look at it. The rulings are made on a case by case basis, so I recommend courtesy and providing all relevant information.

Good luck, and welcome to Eve!

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#12 - 2015-08-10 23:52:52 UTC
Hey man, welcome to EVE where every interaction is PVP.

Even a mining session where you don't shoot another player or get shot by another player or even get seen by another player is PVP and EVE is designed that way. Your strip mining of a belt sabotages the efforts of the next miner to mine in that location. You selling ore on the market means another miner can't find a buyer.

And, your mining impacts the gamewide availability of key resources, particularly supercapital ships. Your freighter load of Veldspar may wind up being part of the next Goonswarm Federation Erebus, or the next Pandemic Legion Nyx.

Some people (possibly including my alliance) will try to disrupt your ore collection for various reasons. How you handle this situation is entirely up to you. I recommend learning about the directional scanner (which can provide early warning of danger) and the local chat channel, and watching how us gankers operate. Learn what we do, then decide how to protect yourself.

Just another suggestion: I'd keep 'grr CODE' comments to this board. I never go after a person in-game based on a post in the rookie section of the forums, but if you were a veteran posting this in say the Crime and Punishment section of the forums, I might run a locator agent on you and come and say hello in-game.

Finally. Do not underestimate your worth in PVP as a new player. I made that mistake as a rookie "oh look, I'm only 6 weeks old, I can't fight anyone...". I sincerely believed that until an 8 hour old character laid a trap for my corp's CEO and blew up his blinged out mission Raven.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#13 - 2015-08-10 23:55:43 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
You do realize it's outrageously funny to smack CODE. In the teeth right?

Tank up and fit blasters instead of mining lazorz and giggle like feckless Muppet as you go down in a blaze of hilarious glory.


Bait Skiff best Skiff!

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2015-08-11 00:05:17 UTC
I've been mining in hisec for years and have never paid CODE.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5689214#post5689214
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#15 - 2015-08-11 00:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
EDIT: For those too busy to read the thread but decide to post, it turns out this never happened to the OP. It happened to someone else, showed up on his chat, that he didn't bother to read until he returned to a newbie protected system. The OP basically just shiptost and left, leaving the thread to melt with accusations on his bogus info proven totally wrong by a simple search of zkillboard. The troll went back to WoW or something, don't worry about it, CCP isn't letting noob Armageddon start in starting systems, it's all bogus. Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

______________________



entitled carebear and waaaah etc etc? Did I just step into GD? Roll hehe

No I'm not going to hold your hand, OP, but maybe offer some reasoning.
Yes, there are safe spots for newbies, pretty much starter systems and also while engaged in the sisters of eve epic arc. doesn't sound like you were in one of those, I'm not familiar with Gal empire space. If someone does gank you in such a system though, starting area etc, you can file a petition with a GM, CCP doesn't take kindly to such actions.

Mining is dangerous, you'll get ganked, especially in highsec. CODE. provides a service to the community, especially miners (for fair competition), keeping the bot population down which use to be a serious issue in EVE. Still is, but not as much. If you don't want to deal with CODE. or getting ganked a lot, don't mine. Some don't, such as myself, I won't touch it or any unarmed helpless and defenseless activity in EVE apart from some hardened or stealthy hauling. You're alternative is to go join a corp/alliance in sov nulsec, run with the nullbears, have protection, though there are still many risks and dangers.

Anyway, it's the way it should be, otherwise it becomes just another game with no challenge. Losing ships is just a part of EVE, make sure you insure them so that your losses are low. Try something else since you are a newbie, pewing is actually really fun here imo. Get to know the game a little before uninstalling. Lucks.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-08-11 02:00:33 UTC
OP I can save you a lot of trouble. Eve is not the game for you. Your time would be better spent playing something you enjoy.

Some people will tell you things like "every interaction is PvP' or that "you consent to PvP just by logging on". Those things may be at best misleading and IMHO proveabley false. Regardless of the extreeme edges of opinion the one thing that I think you will get large agreement on by the player bases is that in eve you can be PvPed anytime that you undock and in Eve almost anything goes.

The very guys that you are asking CCP to make go away are the very guys that they hold up as poster children. The Devs of this game pride themselves on the ruthlessness of the game. If you are trying to put rubber pads or training wheels on Eve you are fighting a loosing battle.

Eve is what it is. It is a game that is not for everyone and is a niche game with a dedicated player base. If Eve is not for you that is cool and I understand. Go play something that is. Just don't come to this game and claim that it has to change to suit your tastes.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#17 - 2015-08-11 03:37:10 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
OP I can save you a lot of trouble. Eve is not the game for you. Your time would be better spent playing something you enjoy.

Some people will tell you things like "every interaction is PvP' or that "you consent to PvP just by logging on". Those things may be at best misleading and IMHO proveabley false. Regardless of the extreeme edges of opinion the one thing that I think you will get large agreement on by the player bases is that in eve you can be PvPed anytime that you undock and in Eve almost anything goes.

The very guys that you are asking CCP to make go away are the very guys that they hold up as poster children. The Devs of this game pride themselves on the ruthlessness of the game. If you are trying to put rubber pads or training wheels on Eve you are fighting a loosing battle.

Eve is what it is. It is a game that is not for everyone and is a niche game with a dedicated player base. If Eve is not for you that is cool and I understand. Go play something that is. Just don't come to this game and claim that it has to change to suit your tastes.


I'm not going to tell the OP to go away.

Instead, OP, think of it this way. Every game has the potential for players to encounter setbacks. Some are minor (start this level again), others are more serious (losing a hardcore character in Path of Exile or Diablo).

EVE lets you choose where on the spectrum to play. You can risk nothing by flying in dirt cheap ships and it's more like the 'start this level again' end. Or you can fly more powerful, more expensive ships and risk ruin if you miscalculate. The choice is yours.

Also EVE differs from most games in that when you suffer a setback, it's often a cunning player inflicting it, where in most games it's some sort of NPC with godawful AI.

CCP have analysed the percentage of new players that leave the game and have found that people who get involved in PVP early are much more likely to remain in the game, even if they come off the loser in their early encounters.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#18 - 2015-08-11 04:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I'm not going to tell the OP to go away.
I gotta agree, player has only been in EVE three days. If he's gone, he's gone, his loss. But I'm not going to push him out the door so quickly, certainly not from NCQA.

EVE is unlike anything on the market right now for the most part. There were some like EVE but they're gone, mostly (mixed pvp/pve openworld). Most mmo players now a days only know games like WoW, which is sad since that's all they know. Most of those I doubt can adapt, or even want to, or would not even try a game like EVE. Been playing graphical muds... er mmo's for 20 years, and I know three days to adapt is just not possible in any game, especially in EVE.

Even years of playing EVE, from my first login in 2004, to today where I'm committed (there were other games like EVE back then), I still have difficulty adapting to certain changes. In fact I'm still pretty angry with the mini-game junk added to exploration, and I refuse to adapt, but just do something else.

Should I ragequit? Nope. Everyone here has likely been through something that made them pretty friggen angry, even if for a little while, if having been here any time at all. You said all kinds of crap whatever, to whoever, no one cares. Thing is eventually you picked up your weapon and got even, and that's what counts. Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE, maybe they think twice next time at least with you. In other games players hide behind the system and grief you, you can't do much of anything back. Here, you can put your time in and then hunt CODE. until you are good and satisfied if that's your prerogative. Ain't no BS here.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Candi LeMew
Division 13
#19 - 2015-08-11 05:24:29 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE

Hnnnhgh tentacles.

Also is it bad that I've a funny feeling this thread is a troll?

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#20 - 2015-08-11 05:41:17 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE

Hnnnhgh tentacles.

Also is it bad that I've a funny feeling this thread is a troll?


Could be, anyone can make a trial to troll. But, 20 other newbies on the level will read it, so best to answer legit imo. One thing everyone agrees, OP has the wrong idea. That's all I'm addressing.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

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