EVE General Discussion

So I heard one day, that Tengus are quite effective in doing stuff. So I went ahead and made myself a few fits in EFT's latest version.

Before I go into any detail of the fits mentioned above, I should say, that a Tengu is capable of facetanking a 10/10 DED Complex with a fit, that has lesser stats.
AND, if you want to do something else with it, just bring a mobile depot with you to refit into other specializations, ex. Covert ops nullified low/null explo, or general traveling.


The fit I used, Is not (too) very expensive, sure it has it's 'pimp' parts, but the price is well under a billion.


The fit has 3780dps tank against Guristas Pirates, with a Pith X-Type Large SB
696dps with a range of 30.4km with Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II's
It moves 633m/s with 10mn T2 Afterburner on
On top of all that, it is cap stable at 40%!
And the full thing costs only 700mil in Jita 4-4!

Note: Omni tank with 300mil invuls (Gistum B) 1946dps tank remaining cap stable is possible, but very expensive.
Other option are Domination Adaptive Invuls, which are only 70mil a piece, yielding 1273 dps tank against omni damage.


Now this all brings the question, why? Why is this kind of thing even possible? Why should this even exist? Can any other Strategic cruiser (or any subcap ship) pull these numbers?

Don't believe me? Look at this, and try it out yourself if you'd like:
EFT Screencapture of the fit with all skills level V


Now ofcourse this is purely on paper, due to my current set of skills I would be able to fly it in around 3 months forward from this date, yet it is unbelievable that it can pull those numbers, even on paper.

Why would you even fly any other ship when you can get a Tengu? Or should this be nerfed, which would possibly create more diversity in usage of ships?

I would like ask CCP, how the f*ck can a cruiser pull a 3,7k dps tank, facetank 10/10 DED sites, and be balanced, or is it balanced after all?

//If this is in the wrong subforum, feel free to move it.

You should also notice that they have high resists like the other T3s do to only certain damage types. Its one of the bonuses, so yes, by tanking their supreme resist areas you can get some insane numbers. Now try doing that to sanshas, where they have relatively low resists... 0 in EM natively and where kinetic damage does its worst to EM damage profiles.

If you always judge the supreme optimal settings for something they always seem OP in comparison to anything else. I could hand you killmail after killmail of some of my poor corpies who have tried and failed time and time again to run sites in sanshas space in a tengu and just died in bling fits.

That's the thing.

EFT is like fantasy football. What you make there and what actually happens in the real game are often very different.

Mr Epeen

If there is something wrong with the Tengu, I'm sure CCP's response will sensibly nerf each and every Caldari ship right along with it.

Any ship that has good-to-great base resists against the relevant damage type and which can fit similar modules. Generally, this means you're looking at shield-capable T2 ships with a good set of midslots.

The Ishtar was insane before it lost a midslot and could solo pretty much any and all Gurista/Serpentis exploration content. Then again, it can almost do it with armour too, and gain the benefit of having fuckall signature compared to a shield ship. Minmatar ships can generally pull the tank off, but suffer in the damage output department.

e:speling r hurd

Kind of proving the OP's point, aren't you?

Mr Epeen

But that is more of a problem with ACs than it is with the Loki. If they game ACs some love...

But 600dps on a Loki isn't that bad, considering you can change damage types and don't have the same problems of damage application. Tengu gets no where near 600dps against smaller rats.

[Cerberus, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Hobgoblin II x3


There... cheaper, longer range, more dps and speed and cap stable and I don't waste 4.5days training back whatever Bob takes from me when I get whelped

What did you want to nerf again?

I've played around with fittings and I'm not seeing how the other subcaps can do the same. The T2 cruisers that get bonused shield resists are the Eagle, Onyx, Broadsword. Fitting the same tank modules on all the ships being compared the Tengu gets much higher EHP.

2 LSE, 1 Invul, 1 EM Ward, 1 DCU and Field Extender rigs:
Tengu gets 139,000 EHP
Eagle gets 91,000 EHP
Onyx gets 92,000 EHP

Tengu fit this way has an extra mid compared to the rest, yet the same amount of lows. Same amount of high slots and turret hard points as the Eagle. Same weapon bonuses as the Eagle. A little slower but a T2 polycarb reverses that, still more tank, still the extra mid slot and can fit a bunch of other subs to do nifty things like increase sensor strength. Tengu subs of note are supp screening and mag infus bay.

You will find the same trend with armor. Compare the Proteus with other armor HACs. The Sac is the only one that gets a resist bonus and it's got a measly 5 lows.

edit - If we're talking about active tanking sites then throw on the amplification node sub and compare the Tengu with the other shield boosting T2 resist cruiser, the Vagabond, or any other cruiser. Same result, Tengu wins.

Clearly you don't fly a Tengu that much or you would be aware of the downside. All the T3 cruisers can do some pretty outstanding things but the fact is that it takes a great deal of time(years) to work it up to its potential and when you lose one you're losing a lot of isk.

All the T3's are special but you pay the price for flying them.
Quit trying to nerf everything into "wowness".