Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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All that will happen is that the bigger groups will get even MORE supers, and youll die just as easy whilst giving them juicy killmails

Sov is no longer about supers, its about nodes and being fast and mobile, 2 things which supers arent

Get out from under the rock and learn the mechanics before playing game designer

Fine if i cant call the OP stupid

His idea is stupid

Yes every one will get more supers.
But the limiting factor will be pilots / holders that sit in the supers.
Mobility will be also the issue , not only because of the fatigue , but also because more groups will be able to hotdrop super capital fleet.


Base idea , use very simple rule.
If currently group A have 200 supers , group B have none.

What will be better :
1. escalate cost so group A and B will have more problems building next 10 supers
2. reduce cost so group A and B will be able build 20 next supers

In first case , Group B still cannot do any thing, and Group A have nothing to fear.
In second case Group A increased slightly its potential , but Group B can actually do something , as 20 supers allow them to contest group A , hotdroping careless pilots, and hitting stuff in different time zones.


Lets go a bit deeper into this.

Group A have 200 supers and 230 pilots , Group B have 0 supers but 50 pilots.
(pilot is person that can actively play , not 3rd super on the same account)

At some point Group A cannot effectively expand any more, while Group B have big potential , and at some point we can get into the point where we will have 230 vs 50 supers.




Read my response pls.

Just increase the mineral production and prices will drop. Boost mining and looting.
But the lowest price for a titan I can remember was 35bil with tritanium at 1.2 isk.

Considering it is the established groups that have the production capacity, infrastructure and logistics already in place I really don't see this working out the way you intended. If anything this would not only make super / titan proliferation worse but increase the gap between haves and have nots especially as any entity with half a brain would put controls on the sale of hulls.

In my experience you don't solve a problem by exacerbating it.

Not supported

Yes , but at current cost of supers new groups :
- first establish infrastructure and logistics
- get ISK /materials to build them
- defend them without having super cover against groups that have dozens of hundreds of supers.

If they manage to do it.
They will be still building supers much slower than bigger groups , so the gap will increase , not reduce.

This idea is not about creating new group that will have 500 supers , but about making small alliances/corporations to have 5-10 of them instead of none.

Remember that moving supers is hard due to fatigue, additionally they don't dock - so they always lock a character.

Feawen doesnt like this.

You hopefully do realize that 5-10 supers in the face of entities like PL, BL, CFC, Stainwaggon, Hardknocks, Lazerhawks and others do absolutely nothing to help small groups to survive, foster and grow, right? All they do is lock up people that could sit in better ships that are useful more often; will cost the group a load of money for no returns and just turns into scrapheaps after the first launch; will wear them down because they cannot defend their production towers against an semi-organized onslaught against; and lock up their industrial capabilities that could be better used to build smaller, more useful ships. Only to name a few things that should make every alliance very wary to consider getting supers.

Fatigue and restricted range does nothing, absolutely nothing, to help small groups keep their super capitals or use them "safely" without instant interference by big entities. The big entities do not necessarily bring their supers, a proper sub-cap fleet of T3, Hac, BS is more than enough to reduce a couple of supers to dust. And big entities can bring these things en masse if tidi sparks somewhere and first intel is out about super capitals in the wild.

All in all, your suggestion is outrageous and completely counterproductive to the health of small groups.

This thread should be locked and never reopened.
but let's say ye lower the cost to 5 bill a super iv got another 4 accounts ready with toon's than can fly the. WTS super toon 100b

I don't think you've ever flown a supercapital class space vessel.

A dozen supercaps on their own just end up dead to an ishtar/fotm gang.

Should've stopped right there.

Reported for redundancy.