Wormholes

If I remember right, they said the structure itself will not require fuel, but adding services will, or something like that.
I like this concept, if it will be the case.

Some updates from #structure on Tweetfleet Slack.

The blog is delayed due to translation issues. It was suggested Ytterbium should just write it in french to start with so translation went faster.

CCP Nullarbor 4:34 PM so devblog won't cover construction costs, because we havn't figured that out yet (ytterbium is running the numbers on all that atm)
service modules for manufacturing will be specific to the type of manufacturing ie frigate, battle cruiser etc

CCP Nullarbor 4:35 PM that will be with the assembly array
kenneth: don't know the actual breakdown yet because we are not looking at that just yet, we know there will be granularity to it though not just "manufacturing"
we might do disabling service modules like stations
but tbh we are not designing the defenses with that in mind

A lengthy discussion followed about how the defense/combat would work:
CCP Nullarbor 4:38 PM I'd rather have more depth to the combat, like ships
ie keep range because it's firing this ammo
or, fit eccm because its an ewar fit etc
the larger the size of the structure, the more fitting capability it has
than includes better rigs, more service slots and more h/m/l slots etc
the fitting is one of the primary reasons to want to step up a size
it will be more strategic than that (current POS), the defenses can't do all things to all ships at once
it's a lone target unless it has a fleet
you can outnumbered it with tanked entosis ships
or mitigate the damage
etc

CCP Nullarbor 4:41 PM we're only launching citadel which is a storage pos
later we'll do more industry stuff
good question about standings (ref hitting your own players with aoe in fw)
no answer on that today, but I could see us saying yes you have standings loss '

CCP Nullarbor 4:43 PM kenneth: if you remove a service module you will cancel all the jobs (in respons to question about swapping fitting for different kind of industry jobs)
so you can't just swap fitting around unless you are not using them
kennethfeld 4:44 PM BUT, can you do it in space?
CCP Nullarbor 4:46 PM yes
as in, the structure is deployed in space? yes
yes you can swap h/m/l (slots) but we might do an capacitor activation cost

CCP Nullarbor 4:51 PM there will not be racial citadels to begin with
but we are not ruling out introducing them late
*later

kennethfeld 5:05 PM is it still going to be medium citadels at first and then large and XL later?
CCP Nullarbor 5:05 PM M and L at the same time we hope, XL later
CCP Nullarbor 5:07 PM it's delayed (XL structure) mostly because of the graphics, it's a huge asset with some challenges for drawing something that big. plus the doomsday weapon :simple_smile:

CCP Nullarbor 7:37 PM taking down the structure will trigger the asset safety on personal hangars
the details of which will be covered in the blog

CCP Nullarbor 8:30 PM so to be super clear, we are not removing any POS or Outposts (or their upgrades and modules) at all this year, or even considering it right away
I'm hearing chatter of people being confused about this
we will have a world of new structures and old structures for some time before we start talking about getting rid of the old
and you'll all be consulted on how / when that happens
and outposts will be the last to go
(maybe even years before that happens)
so, don't freak out :smile:
but its totally fine to talk about how / when we might do that transition

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Lucia Denniard 5:03 PM I do hope the loot drop system is different for wormholes
CCP Nullarbor 5:03 PM that will be in the blog, so we look forward to hearing what you guys think about it all
its not just sov copy-pasted
kennethfeld 5:04 PM I imagine corbexx has been in overdrive...
CCP Nullarbor 5:04 PM yes we chat a lot

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Mostly about Nullsec where Goonbexx lives and maybe how a Dev can throw him a bone once in awhile during a chat to make it seem like he isn't a total Judas dbag....

way to misquote the context. standard bootyblasted pubbie v0v

Thanks for the update calaretu!

Jazzy+Metal get you this

But yes they should burn it all down. It should be good once the legacy code is gone for good. They are giving themseves the time to get it right not just to be kind to the player base.

I have no complaints with that, I've been saying they should just scrap the whole thing and make something new since before fuelblocks came out. I would have prefered a more organic growth system, but that's just me.

I have concerns about the implementation, this is EVE and CCP after all but even the "OMG it's all terrible!" doomsayings are better than POS's in most regards for running a WH operation out of. Hope we get the new structures soon, being an early adopter will be hell but I think it'll be worth it.



Also I doubt the medium will be 750bil, a lot of that size is taken up by hangers and other empty spaces after all, from what I understand Titans are quite solid constructions.

Dat black hole troll ceptor tho with links good luck catching that if you live in one of those.

yeah that'll DEFINITELY happen



how do you not have these already..?

Good morning Trickets,
are you done or do you want to flame calaretu as well?

We can’t have a discussion if you insult people that cite what they believe to be up-to-date design goals from the developers. This is mutually exclusive. Are you mature enough to understand this?

Besides, I agree with you: If they use the upper limit for the destiny sphere (25km) they would have to be unrealistically cheap to match CCPs design goals, their frame of reference. So CCP will either get them resized (to the lower limit, 5 km) and/or we have to live in a shockingly unrealistic gaming world. Big deal.

What really worries me is that CCP changed their mind on passive defenses. I was honestly shocked because I can’t think of a way this can potentially work.