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Self Destruct to move in the direction of pod losses..
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CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2012-01-02 00:30:40 UTC
23:44:16 Notify Nidhoggur belonging to Budicial self-destructs.


I realise this has been discussed before, but seeing as with the latest patch.. you've updated pod lossmails. (N1). Can you confirm if you will look into creating loss mails for forced self destructs ?

This has happened on multiple occasions and although I see self destruct as an accepted defeat, I don't understand why it can't be displayed as a loss mail? (final blow - themselves or something)
Endeavour Starfleet
#2 - 2012-01-02 00:36:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
I would not mind the loser in the match gaining a lossmail. It is just that Killmails should continue to remain not given for self destructs.

That mechanic forces larger groups for killmails and loot.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the lossmail goes to victim only and not some way to auto appear on some killboard unless the victim agrees by posting the mail or using that API stuff attached to the board.
Ueberlisk
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#3 - 2012-01-02 00:38:14 UTC
It would definately make it more fun for small gangs to attack capitals. You easily have enough dps to break the tank but it still takes long enough so cap can just self destruct every time if they so decide.

If you are being aggressed, there will be a killmail if you self destruct. Just an simple idea. Pirate
Cephas Boaz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-02 06:21:36 UTC
couldnt agree more... There's nothing more frustrating when small gang pvping than to lose a cap kill because someone self destructs. As it is, it's quite hard to find and kill a capital ship, let alone in a small gang. It would be nice to have self destruct generate a km if the ship was aggressed while self destructing.
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-02 06:24:21 UTC
Supported, but I think it should work like losses to npc's. It isn't accepted by killboards unless a player was aggressed to the ship. Or else everytime I self destruct my pod to get home at the end of a long roam will show up on the kb and clutter things needlessly.

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Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#6 - 2012-01-02 09:42:56 UTC
Cephas Boaz wrote:
couldnt agree more... There's nothing more frustrating when small gang pvping than to lose a cap kill because someone self destructs. As it is, it's quite hard to find and kill a capital ship, let alone in a small gang. It would be nice to have self destruct generate a km if the ship was aggressed while self destructing.


Perhaps you didn't lose the cap kill? Think about it. And then think more.

Not supported. You didn't blow it up so no killmail.
CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#7 - 2012-01-02 16:22:36 UTC
Nestara Aldent wrote:
Cephas Boaz wrote:
couldnt agree more... There's nothing more frustrating when small gang pvping than to lose a cap kill because someone self destructs. As it is, it's quite hard to find and kill a capital ship, let alone in a small gang. It would be nice to have self destruct generate a km if the ship was aggressed while self destructing.


Perhaps you didn't lose the cap kill? Think about it. And then think more.

Not supported. You didn't blow it up so no killmail.


....

we forced it to blow up. My view is that your the kind of pilot that uses self destuct to avoid loss mails.

The point of this thread however is to see if CCP will consider creating loss mails.

You fight with blobs - hence a 2 minute timer is long enough for your blob to dps the ship. We fight in small groups, and try and catch big fish unawares. It can be a little frustrating when - for instance ... you catch a cane in a belt with a rifter, and he self destructs.
Goose99
#8 - 2012-01-02 16:28:19 UTC
CraftyCroc wrote:
butthurtOops


U MAD BRO?Bear
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#9 - 2012-01-02 18:23:09 UTC
CraftyCroc wrote:
....

we forced it to blow up. My view is that your the kind of pilot that uses self destuct to avoid loss mails.

The point of this thread however is to see if CCP will consider creating loss mails.

You fight with blobs - hence a 2 minute timer is long enough for your blob to dps the ship. We fight in small groups, and try and catch big fish unawares. It can be a little frustrating when - for instance ... you catch a cane in a belt with a rifter, and he self destructs.

+1

Two minutes is a pretty stupid arbitrary timer, since the only fights that last <2 minutes are blob fights.

Good example is super caps. There's a guy over in aridia who missions in his Aeon (imperious wizard for anyone interested), we were considering killing him for a while. He pretty reliably jumped out to a single cyno alt when combats were out, we knew where it was. We worked out that we could get enough deeps to kill him in around seven minutes at a high estimate, which we were happy would be fast enough to kill him before help arrives.

Then we remembered the two minute suicide timer, and "reasonable force" suddenly becomes "you must blob the crap out of it or you will never kill it". Same thing happened with a white noise freighter, we had to kill it's escort and it blew itself up whilst we dealt with them.

tl;dr Blobbing things is boring, suicide timers encourage blobbing and punish small gangs.

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CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#10 - 2012-01-06 00:07:40 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
CraftyCroc wrote:
butthurtOops


U MAD BRO?Bear


no i am not.

and i apologise for being blunt.
you moron
CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2012-01-06 00:08:43 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
tl;dr Blobbing things is boring, suicide timers encourage blobbing and punish small gangs.


+1
Goose99
#12 - 2012-01-06 00:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
CraftyCroc wrote:
I'm madX


-1

The purpose of self destruct is to deny you km and loot. If you're mad, it's working as intended.Lol
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#13 - 2012-01-06 04:52:15 UTC
I could understand adding time to the Capital SDs. They are bigger and take longer to destroy.

However, I personally think that killmails should only be given for laying the final blow. In the case of the SC pilot, they laid the final blow so they get the killmail.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#14 - 2012-01-06 08:25:12 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
I could understand adding time to the Capital SDs. They are bigger and take longer to destroy.

However, I personally think that killmails should only be given for laying the final blow. In the case of the SC pilot, they laid the final blow so they get the killmail.

Aye, it would be nice if a copy of that KM was sent to the highest damage dealer though. So it can be posted on BC and not hidden, as they are now.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#15 - 2012-01-11 23:42:13 UTC
any dev fancy giving some input ?