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Ok lets get this part straight. You think that in a game called EVE Online, people are going to somehow eventually get tired of trolling.......

Are you new here?

Waking up every morning and having to clean up the mess made while you were asleep is boring. Yay now you have to stand guard to prevent someone making a mess, who doesn't even want your sov. Hey a solution that is even more boring than watching pant dry. No fun allowed, you got guard duty for X hours. Exciting gameplay there I tell you what. This is supposed to be a God damned game, not a second job, but hey, I guess CCP is taking EVE is real to a whole new level.

If your alliance is asleep during your vulnerability period, whomever chose that period is stupid.

CCP Fozzie wrote:

A system with Military and Industrial each at 1 would already have shrunk its vulnerability window all the way to 8.18 hours. A system with Military 5 and Strategic 5 (quite common) would have a vulnerability window of 4 hours.

So for 4 hours a day you are incapable of having at least one person per structure in system to stop capture? No need for guard-duty, just home-defense by whomever is ...err... home.

Miners, ratters, or alts... it doesn't take much. Oh, and you have 50 minutes to respond at ADM 5.

Jenn only reads what she thinks you said then decides to go all superior on it, gives me hours of fun when I am AFK cloaky camped, especially when she throws in just how good at PvE she is, just you wait, you will get that soon if you continue to post, she has her PvE eye on you... You quite rightly pointed out that people would either sort themselves out to deal with it or decide to walk away, and the trolls would have to up their game.


On another note I am still laughing at the people complaining about trolling interceptors, they are so easy to stop its laughable, its the Arazu's and Loki's with oversized MWD's and 250 km locking range that are the real troll ships at least on sov that has no tender loving care, which as far as I am concerned is working as intended.

"grr nullsec"

Working with others is not "counter to the very fundamentals upon which this game stands" and no matter what gets done, that's always going to exist. Being in a bigger, better organised group will always have an advantage. The idea of fozziesov was to compact the space us big groups took while encouraging people to take sov. What it's done instead is just encourage people to troll wit disposable ships to waste defenders time.

What's happening to this game has nothing to do with choices we've made. It's to do with CCP being unable to develop an entertaining system for dealing with system ownership and asshats like you cheering them on making the game as boring as possible out of some hatred for groups who work well together.

Destroying the will of people to actually play the game isn't such a good idea in a video game though. That's why people like you encouraging CCP to make EVE as boring as possible are doing it a disservice.

I'm a goddamn hero is what I am.

The entire alliance is asleep? Really? You are gonna go with that argument?

If so, again that would also be an example of setting a stupid vulnerability window.

In the real world, people also actuallydie. Destroying your opponent's morale is effective, but it is not particularly fun for either side. Eve is supposed to be a game. Games are supposed to be fun.

Believe me, I lived through years of Dominion Sov. I do not want it back. It was not a good system. I feel qualified to say that having ground hundreds of structures in stealth bomber fleets in order to deny an enemy a fight.



That is why Dominion Sov was terrible. Replacing Dominion Sov with an equivalent system is just bone-headed.



Are we noticing a pattern here?

Isn't there a rule against multi posting? I thought there was.

Yes, this is correct. I suppose this is why no timers appear in territories occupied by really big and organized groups.


If some groups could not directly contest others for sov during Dominion, they won't be able now, and that wasn't going to change. Assuming that they want that sov, I suppose their goal is not to entertain people currently having their flag there, quite the opposite. You've said that one of the goals was to compact existing holders, and "sov trolling" is the best average can do to make it happen, do it until another guy says "no, f*** you and your strategic value, I'm not unwanding this s**t system we don't have anything in anyway". That's how you "compact" existing groups.

Or a holder can go painless route, pack up and move to nice system you are going to fully upgrade, and max indexes there, while knowing that maybe another "Hub Zero #whatever" comes to your former system so you could actually extract some content as opposed to only seeing entosis frigs. Does it make sense from "srs business" perspective? Hell no. But here we come to the main part:




Sandbox or CCP-designed systems being the source of entertainmant, pick one. What I mean is...

One and almost the only thing going for EVE is that resources for individuals are hard to come by by video game standards and nobody wants to lose them, making it feel like conflict matters. It's core design that you pay for your fun here with hours of soul sucking (again, by VG standards) "work". You can't have it both "fun" and "meaningful and engaging" - anything being fun to acquire means a lot of people will do that, making this resource in question worthless.

Right now though, in a sense, you must choose to do stupid things here in order for fun to happen. NPSI fleets are utterly pointless and are waste of resources... Or they would be if not for the fact that they are supposed to bring action and nothing more. Same goes for every roam ever, it's losing ships for no gain - except to have a good time.

It's time to understand that same will eventually be applied to such assets as extra territories. I say "extra" because people still want their base of operation, something to rely on when they want to make some "ISK" in any form and use them to make fun happen again. And then there are people like manufacturers, miners and other groups that rely on stable places to have their gameplay and fun at all.

Everything beyond that is a welp for giggles material.


I think his point is that if those groups were working well together on generating conflict, CCP wouldn't be so pressed to screw around with sov null. But that doesn't fall under normal, "srs business" definition of "working well together" ofc.

What happened to WHs is a good illustration. When wormholers were killing and evicting each other, CCP wasn't doing anything. When high-class community entrenched themselves and started to only care about occasional semi-staged (if "semi") fights and dunking nullsec ratters out of boredom, nerfs and tweaks started to happen (such as: hole rolling nerf, C4 connectivity fix, so-called "Sort Dragon nerf").