Ships & Modules

Question: does anyone actually enjoy ECM? Does it provide exciting and dynamic player experiences? or is it only enjoyed through how many tears it may extract from a pilot?

Does it make sense that ECM acts as a counter to all other forums of ewar, when other forums of ewar are negated by certain moduals and tactics?


What are potential ideas for changes to ECM to make it less static and chance based?


My personal idea's are for ECM to be changed to a simple reduction in the number of targets a ship can lock. each modual having a chance to reduce the targeted ships number of locked targets by 1, or even a guaranteed reduction in total targets but always allowing the targeted ship one locked target. (or more for a racial specific jammer just a rough idea)

Or perhaps ecm's should be changed so that each racial modual has 0 strength for other races, perhaps this could be enough of a nerf.


Ive also heard talk of a "hard lock" modual, which would allow a ship to have one target locked regardless of the ammount of ECM being applied to the ship.


Any thoughts? (yes i did just lose a ship to ecm. and yes i did go and refit eccms, and was still perma jammed by an unlinked falcon)

think it should be high slots only

ECM should have zero chance of success against mismatched races.

You were doing so well...



There's ECCM and related skills. If you were permajammed by a falcon while ECCM fit, he lucked out. Does this mean ECM is shite because it's so streaky and luck based? I dunno, should we do away with wrecking shots while we're at it?

Is ECM the best game mechanic in EVE, hell no, but I don't see reducing locked target count (unless you could reduce it to zero) being a worthwhile mechanic on the other extreme either.

ECM isn't a counter to all other forms of ewar, really unless they get the first jam off, which the same can be said of damps. Both damps and ecm are decided based on who locks up and gets his load off first. Both a celestis and blackbird can and often will be dumpstered before they can deliver much support unless ~solopvp~ in which case, just about any ewar support would have ****** you besides target painters.

tldr; ECM is like the untanked gank catalyst. It's amazing for a lop-sided gank and otherwise vulnerable to counter play like anything else. Just like that poor ***** freighter pilot who checked dotlan, intel channels, and still got broom-handled on the Udema gate; you got unlucky.

I get special personal pleasure from jamming enemies, and now that I know it has a chance to drop your tears I will try my hardest to find you, and jam your ibis with 5 bz-5s while orbiting you in a scorpion for days.

Yes. Me for one.


Yes. It can be very exciting flying a flimsy Kitsune that any opponent worth fighting is going to call as Primary.


Tears are merely a delicious form of Special Sauce that spice up an encounter.
Being the ECM in my gang, I take joy in helping swing fights our way. I like that my presence in fleet can often give my FC that little extra leeway in choosing what fights to take. I like those times when we demolish an enemy gang that *should* have blown us off field because I managed to jam out their logi or big damage dealers.

I like those times when we're trying to extract from a losing fight and I jam out the enemy tackle and save my mate's ship.

I like being fairly independent in a fleet. I like that I don't anchor-up-follow-broadcasts-hit-F1. I like bouncing around grid like a maddening wasp annoying all and sundry.

I like getting intel on the enemy gang and stacking my jam rack to match (protip: good intel is more valuable than Signal Dispersion V).



If you're going to do that, perhaps you'd also need to radically raise the racial jammer strength?

About the only things you can reliably jam with off-race jammers are frigates.



Here's the thing: if you're being perma-jammed, chances are that the ECM pilot has made a significant skill training investment into ECM and/or they're getting lucky on their jams. Signal Dispersion V and Long Distance Jamming V are 5x and 4x skills respectively. I have both and I don't perma-jam everything. Thermodynamics V is also a solid skill for an ECM pilot, I regularly finish a fight with a lot of nearly complete red rings along my midrack.

The most valuable things any EWAR pilot, not just ECM, can have are bookmarks to bounce off and solid intel on the enemy.

Sometimes you get lucky and the critical jam goes off at the right time, sometimes you don't and bad things happen.

If you're having trouble with jams, get some friends along or adjust your targeting priorities to put the ECM boats at the top of the list. If you leave me sitting ongrid in my Kitsune, I will, most likely, totally wreck your day. It's rare for me to survive a fight that our gang lost (and remember: I'm pretty much always the primary)

Forcing me offgrid isn't hard, a single volley from a flight of light drones will put me in deep armour.

Real 21st century ECM is very effective. I don't see why super duper pretend future ECM shouldn't be the same.

Replace "ECM" with "ganking".

Now imagine someone had come to the forum making this same post.

What would the response be?

Seen the o7 Show? Every roam they go on they are perma jammed...

But ECM is Ok...

I rarely use it, but when I do it is pretty great.