Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We will talke about whatever the hell we please codemonkey.

You and your attitude are disgusting, period

Go back to hiding behind ur mums skirt

It certainly is.


A sandbox is about choices, being a PvP sandbox means you can choose which toys you wish to play within the sandbox but you can't choose which toys are used against you.

OP is absolutely right - wardecs need to change. CCP could make a good start by going back to war evasion being an exploit, lowering the cost of wars, getting rid of the silly NPC fees that defenders have to pay and ending the aggressor being able to chicken out when their victim makes the war mutual and starts kicking ass.

Because this is a PvP game at its core, with:

PvP mining
PvP market
PvP hauling
PvP combat

Everything you do carries an element of risk and competition from other PLAYERS. Its the entire point of the game

There is however the test server for your 'super hi-sec'. But you might as well whine that call of duty doesnt have dinosaurs for people who are only REALLY interested in dinosaurs. They are really cutting themselves out the market.

BRB making a few shell corps to start 5 permadecs and make myself dec immune.


BRB making even less shell corps to make my alliance permanently undecable.


BRB making a bunch of free alts to pull of previous two plans.

Tl;dr: please, think before posting.

*sigh*

- Any product that is safe, quick and easy to acquire (like the rewards in your 'super hi-sec)' rapidly loses value in a player driven free market (like EVE's) to the point that it becomes worthless. This includes isk and is in fact exactly what happened in Ultima-online.

- For anything to have value in EVE's market it must be risky, time consuming and/or difficult to acquire.

The fact that every reward system in EVE is tied to the free market dictates that everything you do, no matter where or how you do it, is competitive. There is no choice in this. None. So whilst you might think its fine to let players be lonely and acquire wealth, every isk cent they use affects other players game for better or worse. And no, you do not get to affect other players game without having them affect you back, and when they do they can choose whatever tool in the sandbox to do it. If that means excessive weapons fire, thats just tough ****. Welcome to the PvP sandbox.

The only way to have your 'super hi-sec' not crash the EVE market would be to make everything inside very time consuming to acquire, give it an entirely separate server (oh look, sisi) or unique set of rewards, hopefully including its own currency, but the latters not going to happen.

TL:DR
EVE is a PvP game at its very core and everything within is PvP. Get with the program or GTFO.





True theres nothing wrong with more players. But the right kind of player. This is not a game for people who want to be left alone to do their own thing. Player interaction is not optional. It is instead the primary content of the game, and can never be optional without breaking core gameplay.

It does not need hand holding like 'every other MMO'. It does not need safe zones like 'every other MMO'. It does not need to be uncompetitive like 'every other MMO'. The very reason we play this game is because its not 'every other MMO'.

The part most people fail to realize is that wardecs right now are "broken" fully in favor of the defending party in just about every way. Therefore, if you're going to weaken wardecs so severely, you need to give something, and a large something at that, back in return. Otherwise you are just savagely nerfing the wardec corps who roam around looking for targets, and not touching the ones who just camp trade hub undocks.

So what about wars will you be buffing in exchange for making them about 1/20th as effective?

I am appalled and shocked someone would suggest that they in any way limit risk-averse (anything).

It's trivial to avoid wardecs under the current setup and your proposed change would make it even easier. With that in mind:

I would ask you how many regions you think there are in highsec.



And once again, what are you willing to give up in exchange for such a large nerf? You're proposing a literal 400% increase in wardec costs. (Nevermind that this will just push wardec groups into even bigger alliances, just like the last price hike did. Then you lot will be crying in less than half a year about how "unfair" it is that the average shitbag highsec corp can't compete, when you're the one who forced them to conglomerate to begin with)