EVE General Discussion

I warped in to a belt last night attempting to kill an Ishkur. He was shooting a Clone Soldier Negotiator, in vain obviously. As soon as I landed he warped off before I could lock him. I was in a Cyclone, so that was expected. At that point the clone solider locks and tackles me. I have no choice but to kill it because of this. After I destroy his rat ass, I loot the wreck. Who wouldn't? As soon as I put the tag in my cargo hold it flags me as suspect saying I stole from the Ishkur dude's wreck. How is it his wreck when I'm the one who killed the rat?

Is this the intended behavior of the criminal flagging system? What if I were just randomly warping to belts looking for rats. Say this ishkur shot the clone soldier and left the belt before I even knew he was there. When you enter a belt with a Clone Solider you have no choice but to fight it in some thing as slow as a BC. You can't leave because they point and web you almost immediately.

Why should someone be flagged as suspect because they defended themselves against a dangerous and aggressive rat just because someone else shot it earlier? If you aren't aware the Negotiators are no joke with their tank and DPS. Am I expected to just leave the tag there? That kind of defeats the purpose of Clone Solider hunting doesn't it?

I believe that an NPC wreck is owned by the player who does the most damage to the NPC, rather than who shot first or last.

Consider using your safety setting in situations where you wish to move fast and don't want to acquire a suspect flag.

Your comments are not completely without merit but you were in low sec, who cares if you are suspect?

Also, an Ishkur can easily kill clone soldiers, so I'm not sure what that comment is about.

It's probably so you can't just warp in and deal the last 1 dmg needed on a rat and be granted the wreck because you killed it. Was the guy still in system when you finished off the rat because it might work in a similar war to kill-mails where you seem to shop up on it as long as you stay in system.

Shooting and killing it doesn't make you a suspect. Taking the stuff out of the wreck does. I don't see what the problem is. Wreck ownership has worked like this for as long as I can remember.

Besides that, you're in lowsec, who cares if you are suspect =x

Loyd... there is no way in hell that you are new to GD....

Nothing. You are free to kill the rat, without getting a flag, with any safety setting.

What the safety setting will do is stop you from doing a looting act that will grant you an unexpected flag. Then you can make an informed decision on if you want to loot or not.

Even with the safety set to yellow, the wreck will be yellow, so you know looting it will get you the flag.

Re-read what I said. I do have an issue with how I went suspect. All I am asking for is clarification as to how long someone retains ownership of a the contents of an npc's cargo after doing "top damage". Just because I don't have a problem with going suspect doesn't mean I can't question some of the reasons it may happen. So relax.

I'm sure you'd be pissed if you did all the work on something and then some guy comes in at the last second and takes all the credit.

And the Negotiator points but does not web, the Transporter webs but does not point, the Trainers/Recruiters only shoot.

Also clone soldier ratting in a frig is the most efficient way to do it.

The top damage doer rule is so:

You shoot a rat. You are just about to kill it when someone else fires one shot, and gets the kill. Who owns the wreck? You, who did the most damage, or the guy who just happened to get that last shot?

Note that the game does not track damage to a rat with who is still on-grid. That would be a code change, and my guess, a messy code change. But if CCP could make that change, it would solve this issue. The code would have to only consider those still on-grid when picking the top damage doer.

Edit: I think the game already does something like this with incursions.