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Module idea: Post-gank boobie trap

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Shipwreck ThunderStar
Fast and Agile
#1 - 2015-07-30 14:28:51 UTC
I have been ganked before in high sec, and while it isn't fun, I accept it as part of the challenge. However, I am not very good or experienced at PvP, nor am I any good at plotting and carrying out revenge on the gankers.

So, I was thinking about a solution rather than the problem: instead of changing game mechanics to prevent ganking (Just fly smarter, darnit!), why not create a module that sets a trap on the wreck after the gank? It would increase the risk to the gankers, and give the ganked some small measure of satisfaction that at least the gankers get nothing tangible out of their efforts.

Here's what I'm thinking:


  • New module or rig, that boobie traps the wreck.
  • When the wreck is looted: boom. The wreck and everything in it is destroyed.
  • The explosion would be area of effect, similar to how bombs work now, causing damage to the looting ship and all ships within range.


What are your thoughts? Is this a device that pilots would be willing to fit? I'm not sure I would fit such a device to a smaller ship, but I would definitely consider fitting to a hauler or freighter, or whatever.

The module/rig can be named the "Shipwreck" device. LOL

PS- I couldn't find anything like this using the search function; sorry if this has been discussed before.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-07-30 14:33:00 UTC
Nope. You have to think about the meta. This would be abused. People would be intentionally booby-trapping ships in an effort to indirectly destroy others. People like Code would love this.
Zimmer Jones
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2015-07-30 14:42:05 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services
Singularity Syndicate
#4 - 2015-07-30 14:44:31 UTC
I came in wondering what a boobie trap would look like...I'm most disappointed...
Shipwreck ThunderStar
Fast and Agile
#5 - 2015-07-30 15:46:30 UTC


Thank you for those ... wow ... talk about a dead horse; those are from 2012. And I definitely need to get better at search. Straight


Good point about the "meta" aspects. Yes, it has potential to be abused, for sure. So maybe instead of AoE it would be a targeted explosion.

Or a particular item that destroys the looting ship from within, or a virus of some sort that plays on the lore somehow, such as making the looting pilot's clone seem very attractive to the Circadian Seekers or something.

One of the threads linked above talks about disabling a looting ship for a short time. That could be interesting ...

But maybe there are too many implications I'm not considering that make this non-viable. As I said, I'm not very good/experienced with the PvP mechanics of the game, so there's probably a lot I am not taking into consideration.

Zimmer Jones
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-07-30 15:57:40 UTC
Yep, been long enough that it shouldn't be closed for redundancy, but I'm not supporting this. Gankers actually do work hard, and do deserve the loot dropped by the unfortunate/unaware/intentionally bad. Its part of the game, an integral part, it gives the flavor of danger that is a hallmark of eve.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.

Ghaustyl Kathix
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-07-30 16:04:15 UTC
Shipwreck ThunderStar wrote:
nor am I any good at plotting and carrying out revenge on the gankers.
There's your problem. Get ganked, learn from your mistake and improve from there. Trying to get revenge on a ganker is a useless exercise because it's usually a cheap alt who never flies anything but cheaply-fit Catalysts.
Iain Cariaba
#8 - 2015-07-30 17:36:09 UTC
Ghaustyl Kathix wrote:
Shipwreck ThunderStar wrote:
nor am I any good at plotting and carrying out revenge on the gankers.
There's your problem. Get ganked, learn from your mistake and improve from there. Trying to get revenge on a ganker is a useless exercise because it's usually a cheap alt who never flies anything but cheaply-fit Catalysts.

You want revenge on the gankers? It's really, really simple.

Fly smart and don't give them a target to gank.
Omnathious Deninard
Ministry of Silly Walks.
Parasitic Legion.
#9 - 2015-07-30 18:45:47 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I came in wondering what a boobie trap would look like...I'm most disappointed...

http://wings.buffalo.edu/org/artfulbra/images/2010/booby-trap-lg.jpg
Here you go.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services
Singularity Syndicate
#10 - 2015-07-30 19:08:29 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I came in wondering what a boobie trap would look like...I'm most disappointed...

http://wings.buffalo.edu/org/artfulbra/images/2010/booby-trap-lg.jpg
Here you go.


That's more like it :) Makes more sense than the OP idea too Lol
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#11 - 2015-07-30 21:41:21 UTC
No.

okay, ill use a few more words. This would destroy the game for gankers, esp. those that do so for profit.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-07-30 21:50:37 UTC
Shipwreck ThunderStar wrote:
The explosion would be area of effect, similar to how bombs work now, causing damage to the looting ship and all ships within range.
I want to be there when the first person to use this gets CONCORDed when they reship, and their trap hits somebody 8 jumps away comes to complain on the forums. Twisted
Mag's
Azn Empire
#13 - 2015-07-30 22:46:28 UTC
Ahh another 'Just one more nerf and it will be balanced.' thread. How original.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Shipwreck ThunderStar
Fast and Agile
#14 - 2015-07-31 10:09:48 UTC
Interesting. My understanding of "Nerf" was taking an existing module or ship and reducing the stats so it isn't as strong as it was before. It sounds like the term is more generic and refers more to just about any game feature that is added or changed from what we are used to.

I'll keep that in mind as I come up with new ideas. It is not my intention to "nerf" or balance anything. I learned from previous mistakes a long time ago and this hasn't been an issue for me since.

Instead I figured this idea would make things more interesting and/or fun for everyone involved in the ganking process. Many years ago on another toon I was on the other side, doing the ganking; A feature like this would have made it more fun for me by increasing the risk factor ... YMMV

Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
No.

okay, ill use a few more words. This would destroy the game for gankers, esp. those that do so for profit.


You have a point about ganking for profit. Ganking is kind of like exploration ... you don't know what you are going to find during any given play session. It's either profitable or not depending on the loot drops, effort, and skill at ganking. So with that:

How about instead of an AoE explosion, a hacking mini-game instead? It wouldn't destroy the game for gankers, but it would add a layer of complexity. And, it would only apply to ships who carry the module, and not every ship would be fitted with one. Hacking difficulty would be based on the size of the wreck. The smaller the wreck, the easier the hack. If hacking fails, the wreck blows up without harming anyone. And no, I'm not suggesting a relic or data analyzer would be needed to hack the wrecks, but why not?

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I want to be there when the first person to use this gets CONCORDed when they reship, and their trap hits somebody 8 jumps away comes to complain on the forums. Twisted


HAHAHA! Yeah, that would be funny. Yup, AoE could be really fun or really terrible depending on what your perspective is and what the local security level is. Gankers would find it funny or terrible: Funny for the LOLs of creating all kinds of chaos on the gates and terrible for destroying their profits. Ganked would find it funny or terrible too, depending on reactions from CONCORD, gankers, collateral damage, etc.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#15 - 2015-07-31 13:46:48 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
No.

okay, ill use a few more words. This would destroy the game for gankers, esp. those that do so for profit.

Ah now you are breaking my heart Big smileBig smile
Why should I give a damn about your profits?
You obviously do not care about how your actions affect the profits of your targets.

That sais I do agree that the OP idea is not a very good one, with way to many possible ways it can be abused.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#16 - 2015-07-31 14:18:35 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ahh another 'Just one more nerf and it will be balanced.' thread. How original.



That might be what he's trying for, but what he's actually proposing would allow anyone with half a brain to wreak havoc on crowded gates. He's looking to implement empire smartbombing w/ out concord consequences.

I would think you would be all for this one.

3 thumbs up - let the canage begin!
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#17 - 2015-08-20 17:35:56 UTC
I would be in favor of a module (or rig), that reduces the overall EHP of your ship, but it gives a larger bonus to reducing the loot that drops. As an example...

-5% to shield/armor/hull
-20% to drop loot (This would drop the drop chance for everything to 40%)

Numbers are just thrown in there as an example, and does not give any thought to what they actually should be if this module/rig were to be released.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2015-08-20 17:47:21 UTC
By boobies trap you mean my screen get's covered in boobies after I do a gank and it trap me by looking at it while someone POD me?
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#19 - 2015-08-20 18:09:40 UTC
Booby trap is what my cousin calls his marriage. Smile

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-08-21 00:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
Frostys Virpio wrote:
By boobies trap you mean my screen get's covered in boobies after I do a gank and it trap me by looking at it while someone POD me?


Yes, that's correct. Your keyboard is jammed and you aren't able to hot key anyhow while your entire screen is covered by boobies.

I think it's fair.

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