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Matari: To See a Republic

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2015-07-28 21:17:36 UTC
We Matari are many. Alone we are small, as whole, mighty. Trillions carry such an identity, along with that of our clans, tribes, and family as well as others, mixed in with influences from social circles, beliefs and ideology. Perhaps it is no surprise that what Matari actually means varies so colourfully from person to person, and a factor in why only 25% of the Matari actually reside in the Minmatar Republic.

To explain the full spectrum of views on the nation state bearing our name would take some considerable time.

Well, lets make a simple start with two simple questions.

Minmatar capsuleers, are you a 'Republican'?

What are your thoughts on the Republic? Be as general or specific as you like.

**Vherokior **

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#2 - 2015-07-28 21:28:45 UTC
Aaaah, no.

I am Matari. I am of the Tribes. I do not belong to a system created by the Federation, however well intended it may or may not have been. Fortunately, this is no longer quite the case. We are returning to our Tribes ways and the Republic will soon be that in name only, and hopefully soon enough not even that.

When our identity was suppressed and hidden, our people found belonging where they could. This is not surprising, nor something to blame them for. Now our identities as a people and a nation are starting to reappear, reconstructed in part and rediscovered in others, invented entirely anew even and this may very well prove to be a turning point where Matari find themselves feeling the calling of their spirits. The call to come home, and remember.

And as such, we must do our part. Any Minmatar of any nation, allegiance, faith or ideals are welcome to any Accorded Neutral Ground inside and outside of the Tribes. For capsuleers, this will mostly mean Deck23, or the planetside areas that can be found in galnet registries on Pator.

Your faith or allegiance matters not in this. Come visit in peace and see if you may hear the yearning of the spirit.
Trenmir Bedala
Bedala Salvage
#3 - 2015-07-28 21:48:36 UTC
Republic mean "thing of the people", or rule by law..

Even in smaller tribes this concept not unknown to us... chiefs rule in council but rule by laws.
Cannot change laws on a whim or because such change popular like in Federation. Change must follow process of law to happen.

Only thing change is face and places... all else remain as it had been for generations before Gallente and Amarr.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#4 - 2015-07-28 22:18:39 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
Minmatar capsuleers, are you a 'Republican'?


I'm Stjörnauga. My Clan lives on stations in Pator and Eystur. There are perhaps five dozen of us, and I'm reasonably sure that those who remain on-station can send a message if they need me to get them supplies, ISK, or direct combat assistance.

I'm Sebiestor. My Tribe has defined my ways and my life for as long as I can remember. When the time came, they gave me the training I needed at the Pator Tech School to go from being a technician to a capsuleer.

I'm Matari. And I will always be Matari. But right now, I'm an expatriot, living deep in nullsec while I work with others who've spilled their blood and saved my rear in combat. Lately, I've been building up ties to some of the Tribal Militia members so that If the Matari need me, they can call on me. I'll answer the call, when it comes.

But a 'Republican'? The Tribal Council and the Sanmatar is our way. A parliament... feh. Acassa Midular is my Chief. If we are unsatisfied with her leadership, the Sebiestor will correct the problem, one way or another.
Ertur Adestur
Hek Xplo Ltd
#5 - 2015-07-28 23:30:38 UTC
I'm Ertur, of the Teigaraet. Vherokior.

I was satisfied to see the Tribal Council take a prominent place and the Sanmatar seemingly step back from what could look like some sort of military dictatorship. The parliament... I have no problem with it as a administrative assembly in support of the Tribal Council, enacting its policies. There's plenty work, after all.

I can't see how a Gallentean system of "one person, one vote" to elect a "representative body" could be of benefit to such a vast and diverse people as the Matari, with no tradition for this system. We are represented by our Chiefs and Elders, Clan and Tribal. We trust them to speak and act in our stead. To be the Face, Voice and Hand of their people. That is our way, as it was for our ancestors.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#6 - 2015-07-28 23:39:58 UTC
I am no Republican.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-07-29 00:03:24 UTC
I am.

I am because we must stand together.

I am because we must learn how to be together.

I am Vherokior, a drifter who follows my own path and this is where I walk today.

I am because my Grandfather died in Huola on the Otelen Gate. He gave his life so that many others could live. Because he could fight blind, fly on instruments, dance, tend to the injured, argue a Nefantar out her last ISK and they say I favor him. Brutor though he was, he knew that we must be many tribes, but one people. I pray for a tenth of his wisdom.

I am because although our "Republic" has things to fix, they are our things to fix and the alternative is a return to what was and must never be again.

I am because #NoAbolition,NoPeace.

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2015-07-29 01:27:38 UTC
I don't know what I am. My republic is what my people want me to be. My tribe is where I wish to be. In reality my tribe is not the republic, but the republic is my tribe. So in essence I am for the republic but only to care for my tribe. Does that make any sense? And that's why I work for the Gallante...
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#9 - 2015-07-29 03:06:37 UTC
The republic is a messy and horribly defunct institution. It was bad under Midular, and its bad now under Shakor. I'd argue though that the badness isn't a direct fault of either of them, but of trying to run two governments as one government. The tribal system and the social democratic system practised in the Federation just flat out cannot coexist. They are two mutually exclusive forms of government.

So am I republican? No, of course not. I don't live in the republic and didn't consider myself particularly pro-republic when I was. I am a Riordan of clan Sgathiach, and whatever else I may be, my clan comes first. I can't abstract 'my people' out to include the trillions of Matari across the cluster. I am Matari by blood, there's no denying or getting around that, but the ties of blood only go so far. Unity is a great goal to strive for, but saying 'we must be one people' feels awfully exclusive to me. I have friends and compatriots of other races whom I am far closer to then most of those people with whom I share some distant ancestry. We're all Matari, sure yeah, that's great. But you know what else? We're all humans. Even defining ourselves as we do simply creates barriers between ourselves and the rest of humanity.

As an individual, I care for my clan, my friends, those close to me, because how could I do any differently? The difficulty comes in extending that compassion beyond our line of sight. Its something most people don't even really try to do, and I can't say I blame them for it. Caring about people who you're friends with is easy, caring about someone who you don't like, who has ideas you don't care for? That's a good deal harder.

Unity by bloodline? Unity by religion? Unity by corporate identity, or culture, or socioeconomic background? They're all just trying to expand that initial ingroup, without looking at the wider picture. Ingroup mentality is rarely a good trait, but its a very human thing to do. Its much easier to paint the people you like in one shade and those you don't in another, then it is to realize that all such distinction is meaningless. We're all humans at the end of the day. We're all one race, the human race.
Kaljack Joh'neeh
Airfoil Delivery
#10 - 2015-07-29 06:00:48 UTC
With all due respect to my ancestors: My identity is self-constructed. My path is none but my own. My alliances stand where I see fit. I am defined by the choices I make. The Republic? It's nothing.

In the constant evolution of my self, there is no room for ideas as simple, or stagnant, or obsolete as "the Republic."
Matar Ronin
#11 - 2015-07-29 10:25:43 UTC
I support freedom, justice, and the opportunity for all Matari people to return to the traditional ways of our people if they freely choose to do so. The Minmatar Republic embraces these same goals. The apparatus of governing is of secondary concern as long as it justly and expeditiously meets the needs of the Matari people.

God, country/Republic, tribe/family is the order of my loyalties. I live in the Minmatar Republic again after years of absence in low sec and null sec supporting insurgent activities against the demonic cultists who still enslave Matari people.

The concept of a "Republic" is not at odds with the traditional ways of the Matari people. Our Tribal leaders and Elders have always governed with the consent of the people. While some will attempt to play semantic games I am a more bottom line kind of person. When the Minmatar Republic works towards the best interest of all the Matari people they have my support, when they fall short they hear my strong voice of opposition which they make no attempt to silence.

The Gallente have been a staunch and great ally, but any 2 nations will never agree on everything. So if the point of this thread is to drive a wedge between the Matari people and our most effective ally I reject and rebuke that notion to the point YES call me a republican, a Matari republican.

We are building our traditional form of governance again and it is not in immediate conflict with the trappings of a Republic, No Abolition No Peace!

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Haruchai Khan
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-07-29 11:41:59 UTC
The Matari are a people who value freedom above all other things. We live our lives in a myriad of ways, in uncountable places throughout the cluster.

We value freedom because it forms our very soul, and we know what it is to be enslaved. Each of us, freed or born free, must know that the freedom we enjoy to be diverse, was bought - and continues to be paid for - in blood. Matari blood unites us through the ages and today.

Freedom was not won by individuals alone, but by immense efforts together. We should not lose sight of the power of unity, of a common effort.

The Republic represents that togetherness. It was formed, perhaps imperfectly, from the great rebellion and mass rejection of our fate. It was born from wisdom gained from the other free peoples of this cluster, and though it needed and needs, reform, the Republic remains our only serious hope of preserving freedom.

Freedom is also born from law. Respecting the rule of law, and having that law written justly and with the consent of the people to which it is applied, is the first, highest duty of government.

Many of the opinions here, of those who have left the Republic for various reasons, will be hymns of hope to our erstwhile oppressors. The Empire is a power monolith, single-minded and impatient of dissent. It has all the strengths of such a culture, bounded by its religion so even co-existence is seen as a heresy. Such obedience, as we well know, is most powerful in war.

These imperialists rely on our divisiveness, our tribal squabbles, our individualism. They want us to be scattered. Whilst diversity can be a strength, we are not strong. We weaken each day, as instead of believing in something greater than ourselves, we fragment to place and tribe and family.

We have allowed ourselves to give up the truest strength of freedom, the ability for many ideas to work politically together to achieve something greater than the simple sum of parts. Instead of hard work, we embrace populism. We allow our Sanmatar to appeal to the worst aspects of ourselves - vengeance, struggle, war - rather than engage us all to reform the Republic into something that can represent the people. We appear to comfortable with this, because peace, democracy and compromise are hard, and we are still as children. Angry, resentful, always keen to blame the bogey man that lies in the remembered dark.

We are not unlike the Amarr in much of this. How could we not think like our captors after so long among them? The traditional clans and families hold sway in the Tribal Council, we abrogate our freedoms to a powerful dictatorial leader. We discard Treaty Law and cluster agreements when it suits our momentary aims, as if by doing so we do not imperil friendships and our very future. And still, so many of our brethren abandon the Republic for other dreams, because they feel - knowingly or subconsciously - that freedom is dying on the vine.

We cannot replicate Gallentean democracy exactly. Nor pseudo-Caldari brutalist pragmatism a model most Matari could stomach. There must be reforms that include our confederate nature, and respect Tribal rights. But the voice of the people must be heard forcefully in their representation, and whilst historical culture informs our ways, the future must take account of the power balances of the present. The Old Ways are not sufficient in the era of capsuleers.

We need the flower of our people to come home and fight for the Republic, to create it anew, and anew, and anew. This is what freedom truly means: for with freedom comes great responsibility, and to build something that ensures our children and children’s children will also be free.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Ertur Adestur
Hek Xplo Ltd
#13 - 2015-07-29 15:30:44 UTC
Haruchai Khan wrote:
The Matari are a people who value freedom above all other things.

Matari blood unites us through the ages and today.

We should not lose sight of the power of unity, of a common effort.

Freedom is also born from law. Respecting the rule of law, and having that law written justly and with the consent of the people to which it is applied, is the first, highest duty of government.

Such obedience, as we well know, is most powerful in war.

These imperialists rely on our divisiveness, our tribal squabbles, our individualism. They want us to be scattered.


So... That's a 'no' to democracy, then?

Haruchai Khan wrote:
Instead of hard work, we embrace populism. We allow our Sanmatar to appeal to the worst aspects of ourselves - vengeance, struggle, war - rather than engage us all to reform the Republic into something that can represent the people.

The traditional clans and families hold sway in the Tribal Council, we abrogate our freedoms to a powerful dictatorial leader.

But the voice of the people must be heard forcefully in their representation.


OK, what's it going to be? Don't tell me: You are running for President. Smile

Seriously, the Tribal Council, backed by the Parliament, seems fairly able to perform the work ahead, just as you hope for. I was equally sceptical about the Sanmatar, certainly after Colelie, but he seems to have stepped back in favour of the Council. Who better to represent the people than the Chiefs?

In short, if populist divisiveness is something you want to avoid, Gallentean democracy is not something you want to argue for.
Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#14 - 2015-07-29 18:14:54 UTC
I am loyal to my comrades, clan and tribe. So long as they are served by the Republic, I will serve it.
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#15 - 2015-07-29 22:04:05 UTC
I am of the Five Towers clan of the Sebiestor, my mother's clan.

I am also an associate member of the Brutor clan Ogunkoya, which my father leads.

My family has a record of service to the Republic. It is still my belief that our own nation is the best hope for Minmatar self-determination and the survival of our way of life. It has it's faults and problems, but what system is free of them?

Yes, I am a Republican. And proud to be so.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#16 - 2015-07-30 00:40:15 UTC
Ertur Adestur wrote:
Haruchai Khan wrote:
The Matari are a people who value freedom above all other things.

Matari blood unites us through the ages and today.

We should not lose sight of the power of unity, of a common effort.

Freedom is also born from law. Respecting the rule of law, and having that law written justly and with the consent of the people to which it is applied, is the first, highest duty of government.

Such obedience, as we well know, is most powerful in war.

These imperialists rely on our divisiveness, our tribal squabbles, our individualism. They want us to be scattered.


So... That's a 'no' to democracy, then?

Haruchai Khan wrote:
Instead of hard work, we embrace populism. We allow our Sanmatar to appeal to the worst aspects of ourselves - vengeance, struggle, war - rather than engage us all to reform the Republic into something that can represent the people.

The traditional clans and families hold sway in the Tribal Council, we abrogate our freedoms to a powerful dictatorial leader.

But the voice of the people must be heard forcefully in their representation.


OK, what's it going to be? Don't tell me: You are running for President. Smile

Seriously, the Tribal Council, backed by the Parliament, seems fairly able to perform the work ahead, just as you hope for. I was equally sceptical about the Sanmatar, certainly after Colelie, but he seems to have stepped back in favour of the Council. Who better to represent the people than the Chiefs?

In short, if populist divisiveness is something you want to avoid, Gallentean democracy is not something you want to argue for.



Honestly, I feel like the Tribal system is already pretty democratic. People bad talk it, but really, it functions pretty well. Do I vote for who I want to be an elder? No, but I certainly have say, and these are all people I'm close to anyway. I'm not unfairly represented, I'd say I'm more fairly represented in this way then I would be by vote alone. Origin uses a hybrid cellular virtual democracy, but it takes a lot of cues from the clans and tribes in the cellular arrangement of leaders. I'd really struggle to call the republic at its worst a dictatorship. On the contrary really, a lot of the recent events have proven that, if anything, Sanmatar Shakor can't control his people. The attack on Colelie was clear evidence of that, and you can look no further then Miss "No Abolition No Peace" further up the thread to see a good example of it.

Jili Tonari, tell me, if Sanmatar Shakor made peace with the Empire tomorrow, would you stop fighting them? And then, if total abolition was to somehow happen, what would you do with yourself? Do you have a definition for yourself as anything other then a freedom fighter and an enemy of the Empire?
Haruchai Khan
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-07-30 09:18:03 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:


Jili Tonari, tell me, if Sanmatar Shakor made peace with the Empire tomorrow, would you stop fighting them? And then, if total abolition was to somehow happen, what would you do with yourself? Do you have a definition for yourself as anything other then a freedom fighter and an enemy of the Empire?


This is an an excellent question, that each of us should examine for ourselves.


Ertur Adestur wrote:
OK, what's it going to be? Don't tell me: You are running for President. Smile

Seriously, the Tribal Council, backed by the Parliament, seems fairly able to perform the work ahead, just as you hope for. I was equally sceptical about the Sanmatar, certainly after Colelie, but he seems to have stepped back in favour of the Council. Who better to represent the people than the Chiefs?

In short, if populist divisiveness is something you want to avoid, Gallentean democracy is not something you want to argue for.


My path to any consideration of electoral office was diverted long ago. Smile

I was not arguing for Gallentean democracy per se, but they are a diverse people - perhaps more so than ourselves, and are able to maintain great strength in military and economy through their federal system. Kinsman Saede Riordan spoke well of the approach Origin takes - these ideas would form the basis of my view of a confederate, tribal-centred government with universal franchise.

We ought to recognise that many of our people prefer living in Gallentean space to their own Republic. There are reasons for that, and for the continued exodus.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#18 - 2015-07-30 17:58:44 UTC
For a little clarification, Republic does not automatically mean democracy. It simply means; not a monarchy.

What are people's thoughts about democracy in the Republic, or among Matari in general?

Remember, it was largely introduced to us by the Gallente. There are variations from clan to clan and tribe to tribe, but few I think could be described as democratic.

**Vherokior **

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#19 - 2015-07-30 18:32:42 UTC
Democracy may be the silliest notion in New Eden.

There's a staggering complexity and difficulty involved in governing anything larger than a handful of people, involving immensely complex financial and economic concerns, politics, enforcement, services and an endless list of equally important facets of government. To even barely grasp how gargantuan the governing of a system-spanning nation, not to mention a cluster wide nation, you'd need an immense intellect, fantastic education and training along with an almost unheard of level of willpower and wisdom.

Now go talk to the first person you meet on the street for five minutes and ask yourself how much you want that blithering idiot involved in said government or in choosing the government.

Your average citizen does not have the prerequisite education, insight or intelligence to make informed decisions when it comes to electing the people in charge, with even the slightest hope of even guessing which people have his best interests in mind.

Democracies are strange little popularity contests and that is no way to run a nation.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2015-07-30 19:10:51 UTC
Pardon me for asking.. I guess that the Federation has an immense intellect, fantastic education and wisdom, considering how successful they are ?
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