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Lore wise, why are incursions still going on?

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Krops Vont
#1 - 2015-07-29 03:22:20 UTC
Any sane man would retract heavy losses from actual farming of his soldiers. Lol

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Webvan
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#2 - 2015-07-29 03:42:57 UTC
Krops Vont wrote:
Any sane man would retract heavy losses from actual farming of his soldiers. Lol

They're not Sansha's soldiers per se, he procured them. The fire rises!



"One of these projects was to develop a method to amalgamate the recently introduced Jovian Capsule technology with existing brain Implants, most of them illegal, to create men with the thoroughness of a computer and the ingenuity of humans. People that would be completely loyal and dedicated, yet creative enough to handle complex and delicate situations. These inhuman researches naturally required test subjects, and Sansha acquired these from the Amarr Empire in the form of Minmatar slaves. The Amarrians were eager to learn of any new techniques to be used to control their large slave population and gave Sansha whatever support he required. There has always been strong suspicion that Sansha received substantial support from others too, but if and who these shadowy allies were has never become public knowledge."
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#3 - 2015-07-29 03:43:01 UTC
Maybe he isn't sane. And he has a massive army of zombies. And they are a hive mind. So they are like ants. I had ants coming into my kitchen. I'd kill scores of them daily by spraying them with Windex or crushing them. But they never got the message that maybe it was a bad idea to come to my house. They just kept coming. I guess they can afford to. I had to buy bait to get them to take poison back to their queen and wipe out the whole colony. So I guess until someone finds Mr. Kuvakei himself and gives him some poison candy, Sansha will keep raiding our systems.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-07-29 03:43:17 UTC
I red on reddit that lots of people say the fix for nullsev Sov is actually to nerf hisec incursion billion isk plex printing every week risk free
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#5 - 2015-07-29 04:09:30 UTC
@Carrie Then theyll go back to the old FOTM isk printing high sec L4 missions.....Roll


@OP

Basically its been stated already, they invade constellations and steal planet bound people and turn them into sansha pilots. Basically its the Borg assimilation type maneuver. These are what we kill en masse, so like the above poster said the only way to destroy them would be to stop them from doing what theyre doing; either killing Kuvakei himself or destroying enough of his "true sansha" drones and his organization that they cant continue doing it.

So if CCP wanted to I guess they COULD organize a player event wherein we must go to his stronghold and invade his territory to end it once and for all out in sanshas space in Stain. That not withstanding would be epically cool to say the least but with the desire for group pve activities from not only the playerbase but also CCP to promote such play I highly doubt it will happen ever. That being said you never know if someone will come along with a good enough storyline ending to make it happen. Even though most players care not for lore or parade the sandbox ideals this is an unfolding storyline game in its own right.

Now, the new Drifter threat might actually dethrone things. Mostly cuz it uses new weaponry and AI and is an evolution of the NPC gameplay. So if successful I could see CCP nerfing incursions to 0 for the sanshas and having everything hang on the drifters and the advancement of the AI and tech in the game. Especially given the possibility that the drifters and Jove open up in the actual lore storyline. But we shall see what they do now.

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That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#6 - 2015-07-29 04:13:25 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Now, the new Drifter threat might actually dethrone things. Mostly cuz it uses new weaponry and AI and is an evolution of the NPC gameplay. So if successful I could see CCP nerfing incursions to 0 for the sanshas and having everything hang on the drifters and the advancement of the AI and tech in the game. Especially given the possibility that the drifters and Jove open up in the actual lore storyline. But we shall see what they do now.

More like drifters are the new content, eh. And why we're doing the same missions 5 to 10 years after they came out~~

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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-07-29 04:30:22 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Now, the new Drifter threat might actually dethrone things. Mostly cuz it uses new weaponry and AI and is an evolution of the NPC gameplay. So if successful I could see CCP nerfing incursions to 0 for the sanshas and having everything hang on the drifters and the advancement of the AI and tech in the game. Especially given the possibility that the drifters and Jove open up in the actual lore storyline. But we shall see what they do now.

More like drifters are the new content, eh. And why we're doing the same missions 5 to 10 years after they came out~~

WHY HAS THE DAMSEL NOT LEARNED TO STOP BEING IN FREAKING DISTRESS WTFBBQHAX?????


Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#8 - 2015-07-29 04:35:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Now, the new Drifter threat might actually dethrone things. Mostly cuz it uses new weaponry and AI and is an evolution of the NPC gameplay. So if successful I could see CCP nerfing incursions to 0 for the sanshas and having everything hang on the drifters and the advancement of the AI and tech in the game. Especially given the possibility that the drifters and Jove open up in the actual lore storyline. But we shall see what they do now.

More like drifters are the new content, eh. And why we're doing the same missions 5 to 10 years after they came out~~


Well for me the drifter AI is the hinge point for CCPs development for new NPC content. If successful and modable enough I can foresee a golden era for new NPC PvE AI content that could span a lot of things... but thats just me being wishful in some aspects. The problem with missions is writing them and balance. More of the same with the lame storyline write ups wont impress anyone at this stage and only new AI were fewer ships can be decent adversaries in a more "pvplike" atmosphere has been what players have consistently called for over the years. The Burners and Drifters imo can be the start of such development, or are the start of. What comes next out of the data dumps CCP has on them will likely dictate future development in that PvE area.

And then yes replacement of the old outdated systems like incursions or L4s will continue. But like all things development will be slower than players will want. You also have to remember that as much as players complained about the lack of "good" PvE more actually complained when anything new PvE was given to the foul carebears rather than the uber leet PvPers, and then complained how broken it was by whoring badly and continueing to exploit it for years. I think this led to some stagnation on CCPs part to reward the vocal portions of the community, much like the WiS issue. And its forced CCP to shelve a lot of content changes for several years. But Im impressed with a lot of the changes and the potential it can create from CCP in the past little bit. Now it remains to ride it out or leave in frustration that its not all happening "NOAW!!" imo.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-07-29 04:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Now, the new Drifter threat might actually dethrone things. Mostly cuz it uses new weaponry and AI and is an evolution of the NPC gameplay. So if successful I could see CCP nerfing incursions to 0 for the sanshas and having everything hang on the drifters and the advancement of the AI and tech in the game. Especially given the possibility that the drifters and Jove open up in the actual lore storyline. But we shall see what they do now.

More like drifters are the new content, eh. And why we're doing the same missions 5 to 10 years after they came out~~


Well for me the drifter AI is the hinge point for CCPs development for new NPC content. If successful and modable enough I can foresee a golden era for new NPC PvE AI content that could span a lot of things... but thats just me being wishful in some aspects. The problem with missions is writing them and balance. More of the same with the lame storyline write ups wont impress anyone at this stage and only new AI were fewer ships can be decent adversaries in a more "pvplike" atmosphere has been what players have consistently called for over the years. The Burners and Drifters imo can be the start of such development, or are the start of. What comes next out of the data dumps CCP has on them will likely dictate future development in that PvE area.

And then yes replacement of the old outdated systems like incursions or L4s will continue. But like all things development will be slower than players will want. You also have to remember that as much as players complained about the lack of "good" PvE more actually complained when anything new PvE was given to the foul carebears rather than the uber leet PvPers, and then complained how broken it was by whoring badly and continueing to exploit it for years. I think this led to some stagnation on CCPs part to reward the vocal portions of the community, much like the WiS issue. And its forced CCP to shelve a lot of content changes for several years. But Im impressed with a lot of the changes and the potential it can create from CCP in the past little bit. Now it remains to ride it out or leave in frustration that its not all happening "NOAW!!" imo.
Old news CCP converted everything to the same AI in 2012 with retribution. Hence the massive amount of drones being killed in the following months lol.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#10 - 2015-07-29 04:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
They're his children. Though not in the offspring sense, but like reborn beings from what they were.
As for Sansha himself, as stated in the article I linked, he is likely a clone and has more clones hidden away. You can't stop him. Insane? no. Genius? most likely. imo a good story-line, something to not be removed but to at some point accelerate.

I'd like to see Sansha adapt some new technology to progress his plan. After all, in EVE, players don't raid the NPC's, NPC's raid the players. *Sansha moves to Burn Jita by new technology to carry out hit-and-run gorilla tactics*
Can you imagine if suddenly everyone at Jita 4-4 were ejected into space after Sansha momentarily hacked life support making it in so close?
All those drifting doublers ripe for the pewing! Shocked
And CONCORD unable to lift a finger!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#11 - 2015-07-29 05:36:28 UTC
There was a thread recently that showed evidence on the test server that there are going to be drifter incursions.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Crystalline Entity
Black Dragon PHP
Darwinism.
#12 - 2015-07-29 09:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Crystalline Entity
They really ought to start winding down some content in some way.

FW then incursions in my view

No sure about winding down missions but a fresh update would be nice.

Literally not for any 'buttmad at l33t isk' reason but for continuity universe evolving reasons.

Just take 0.0 politics for example. Empires come and go.. who could have foreseen the fall of the rock solid NC in 2007? Or the sudden disbanding of BOB.. etc

Nothing is forever and just cramming new content isn't healthy imo

Wind down FW then Incursions, then ramp up the drifter threat, expand WH/Thera and then focus on whatever that massive supergate thing we saw in that trailer recently..

(clarification: NC looked invincible in 2007 I am aware that it didn't crumble then)
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#13 - 2015-07-29 10:01:46 UTC
Crystalline Entity wrote:
They really ought to start winding down some content in some way.

FW then incursions in my view

No sure about winding down missions but a fresh update would be nice.

Literally not for any 'buttmad at l33t isk' reason but for continuity universe evolving reasons.

Just take 0.0 politics for example. Empires come and go.. who could have foreseen the fall of the rock solid NC in 2007? Or the sudden disbanding of BOB.. etc

Nothing is forever and just cramming new content isn't healthy imo

Wind down FW then Incursions, then ramp up the drifter threat, expand WH/Thera and then focus on whatever that massive supergate thing we saw in that trailer recently..

(clarification: NC looked invincible in 2007 I am aware that it didn't crumble then)

You mean like what GW2 did, which pretty much turned it into a ghost town? Uh-huh..

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-07-29 10:53:39 UTC
I would love for the current incursion community to disappear and replaced with a another high sec funding source.
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#15 - 2015-07-29 12:57:46 UTC
Krops Vont wrote:
Any sane man would retract heavy losses from actual farming of his soldiers. Lol

No lore reason here... the reason is non lore aka people do them and CCP has no reason to remove them.
And thats why they are doin copy/paste with it and making Drifter Incursion... without new solutions or mechanics but will see when it actualy on SiSi.

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Khan Wrenth
HC - inswineity
#16 - 2015-07-29 16:23:26 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Krops Vont wrote:
Any sane man would retract heavy losses from actual farming of his soldiers. Lol

No lore reason here... the reason is non lore aka people do them and CCP has no reason to remove them.
And thats why they are doin copy/paste with it and making Drifter Incursion... without new solutions or mechanics but will see when it actualy on SiSi.


Dunno. If their new AI is any indication...NPC's chasing people around star systems or constellations...it could be that incursioners would have more to worry about being gate camped by angry NPCs rather than opportunistic gankers.

I'm not part of the incursion stuffs but I have to say this has a heck of a lot of potential to shake things up.
Syrilian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-07-29 16:41:22 UTC
Crystalline Entity wrote:
They really ought to start winding down some content in some way.

FW then incursions in my view




If they "wind down" FW then I quit. Seriously.
Panthe3 Black
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-07-29 16:45:20 UTC
It's time to make incursions more of a random event. I.e once a month or two
Crystalline Entity
Black Dragon PHP
Darwinism.
#19 - 2015-07-29 17:38:15 UTC
Syrilian wrote:
Crystalline Entity wrote:
They really ought to start winding down some content in some way.

FW then incursions in my view




If they "wind down" FW then I quit. Seriously.


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Vic Jefferson
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#20 - 2015-07-29 18:11:39 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
@Carrie Then theyll go back to the old FOTM isk printing high sec L4 missions.....Roll


Good - Crashing each other's LP markets might actually make people look elsewhere for income streams. Having lucrative income streams in high sec literally asphyxiates content from every other region of the game.

Daniela Doran wrote:
I would love for the current incursion community to disappear and replaced with a another high sec funding source.


Except not replaced at all. Any changes to low or null are largely meaningless so long as HS continues its monopoly on accessible, available, and safe income streams which exceed those found in low and null.

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