Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1.) I can not support the idea that would literally put gankers into a station for 3-4 days, and you can not extend the flashy yellow as it pertains for stealing some one elses can, etc.
2.) as to corp thieves, no a criminal flag should not be levied as again being stuck in a station, the flashy yellow is Suspect not criminal.
3.) instituting the flag systme for either is not going to work, simply wait out the timer and then poof you have no recourse but to place a bounty on someone if you really wish them dead. in most cases, a wardec especially by an indy corp just will not work as the thief/awoxer leaves the area for other prey.

flags will not work.

Features like placing bounties for doing something that is criminal, but not murder would be added in the future to prevent confusion on how the system works upon release. Also it would give time for CCP to figure out how to implement that without breaking the game. Basically it would evolve over time, with things like this it's best to start small.

Please get off of my thread with your non-constructive post. You must be a pirate/ganker that is afraid of a functionable bounty system being implemented.

Again, please read the first and second page as they will address any "flaws" you see. Also note this post I made earlier

"Features like placing bounties for doing something that is criminal, but not murder would be added in the future to prevent confusion on how the system works upon release. Also it would give time for CCP to figure out how to implement that without breaking the game. Basically it would evolve over time, with things like this it's best to start small."

It is safe to assume "criminal" would also include scamming, please read all post throughly before jumping to conclusions.

But there is NO way to classify scamming as criminal. A GM cannot sit there and rule whether every contract was a scam or legit or not. You, sitting in that chair, have to click accept before a contract can be completed. YOU are responsible for that. Giving someone access to corp hangars and them using it to take stuff can't be classified as criminal. You gave them access to it. Anything you didn't want taken shouldn't have been there. I read most your posts. And as I stated before you are either ignorant to much of Eve, or choose to ignore it as it doesn't fit your purpose. You're choosing to ignore evidence and actual game play that everyone else is telling you is how it is, or likely would be.



Also, where do you get this idea that the current system, (barring making the user interface of the bounty office more user friendly), can't be done, and is only a benefit to trolls? You DO realize you can set your overview to show pilots with bounties and kill rights right? You DO realize that an icon shows up on the selected items window when someone has a kill right, and it's pretty simple to activate it yeah? You do realize you can gank them or war dec them or get them to aggro or loot your can, right? Without creating this unstable system where Depending on whether your name came out of the hat or not, Concord and game mechanics may or may not work? You do also realize that you are completely capable of doing everything you're asking for right now, barring the revision to the bounty office interface? And that people already do?


The only two real problems I see here are the bounty interface needs to be better, which I agree with 100%, and the overview needs a look at. It doesn't need dumbed down, but it does need a 'see how this pilot looks on this overview' or 'make this pilot/this type of standings pilot visible on this overview' quick option. How much you can make it tell you at a glance, when you know what you're doing, is amazing. But it takes alot of tinkering to get it to do it.


You're making a ton of assumptions with this whole thread, many of which are just not the case in actuality. Your inability to see this is despite repeated efforts from many people..... I cannot find a word.


You change your idea to revamp the bounty search system/interface and add a bounty/kill right default tab and sure, no problem, completely fair, completely agree. But the amount of inaccurate assumption and inconsistent, questionable changes that would be required to make the rest of this work is an unacceptable price for something that can pretty much already be done anyway, with a little bit of effort.


But this is the beauty of F&I. You are free to suggest whatever idea you want and defend it as staunchly as you want. Others are free to take the opposite side. Me? I don't agree at all with this needing to be implemented, especially in this format. I'm willing to spend as much time as it takes to explain why this is bad, and why this creates scenarios that are not good for the game environment.


The only way to make this even remotely viable would be for the person who is targeted to receive a mail/notification that they were, and for how long the window stands, and by whom. You're not talking about a situation where Person A undocks, knowing someone may shoot him but Concord will show up and kill them after X seconds, or undocks knowing there is a war and concord won't intervene, or they have a kill right which can be activated. You're talking about a situation where Person A undocks, And some guy can randomly shoot him free of any typical game mechanics. THAT is bad. That doesn't create a 'balance in power,' that creates a broken mechanic, far worse than already exists.

I'm being quite constructive. You're not by ignoring something as necessary as mechanics. I mean, mechanics are what a game is built and ran on. The Job/profession you're talking about already exists, with plenty of mechanics to support it. I am not at all trolling or derailing, I'm being quite on point and quite constructive and relevant. You're suggesting a change to mechanics while trying to ignore the mechanics? Huh? Blatantly ignoring the problems is far less constructive than bringing them up so they can be addressed.

Yep, he's a troll.

I think that would be interesting in addition to the spy network. Imagine bounty hunters paying corporations to use their structures to locate their target.

Wow really?

So you can't find anything in there that you can try to use to make your system better? You can't see any of the problems with your system and try to come up with solutions?


First I'm not ranting. I am bringing up problems or shortcomings, instances you have missed. You are not trying to address them. I am also bringing up tools that you already have. Again, not addressing them.


Second, 6 pages and no one has said Dumb, but you. Stupid has been used thrice, once by me to describe how people fall for high sec aggression mechanics, another by another guy who used it to describe how he's able to figure out high sec aggression mechanics, and the last by you.

You have a whole list of things to address:

How does this system make people more inclined to do bounty hunting when there are already so many things in place for it?

How do you address the problem of inconsistent mechanics? You can't have a situation where out of the blue, mechanics don't do what they are supposed to anymore. Everything else, the mechanics are consistent, if not always the best. Having a random guy being able to suddenly shoot you without the consistent mechanic of Concord, how do you address that?

How do you address bounties for scamming or theft, when you cannot make those criminal without having to have a GM rule every case?

How do you get the idea that the current system is only usable for trolls scaring new people? Open up your bounty office in game, go to the top bounty hunters menu. How bout all those dudes who have made plenty off bounties? Reckon that was because of scaring newbs?



I mean, do you NEED everything listed bullet by bullet point, or are you able to read a post and see the issues being brought up and respond to them?


What is your take on just revamping the bounty office interface and adding a bounty preset tab?


...... You're really suggesting you don't see anything that could require some response, or even provide a discussion point for you to improve/elaborate more on your concept to sell it?

That's just a handful.....

Here is my version of a near perfect system:

First of all, refund or remove all current bounties. It doesn't matter which people who have invested in the current system arn't going to see any of it anyway so it won't matter.

Second, separate Concord faction standing from security status. You can gain Concord standing by, missioning and collecting bounties. You lose faction standing with Concord the same as any other group plus getting caught with contraband in highsec or by getting Concorded. You can not pick up a bounty if your Concord standing is negative.

Third, Change Bounty office station service to only be available in concord stations. Also remove the ability to remotely place, view, or collect bounties. In other words to do any of that you have to be at a Concord Station.

The actual Bounty (what is displayed and payed out) is at a minimum 50% of what the person placing the bounty pays to concord. If you want to place a 10 million isk bounty on someone you have to pay 20 million. The percent that is payed to concord will be higher initially, it is influenced by your standings with concord, think of it as a tax.

A standard bounty such as this is not immune to concord. So if you pick up a bounty for Soandso from your local bounty office, you will get concorded if you attack them in highsec. To get around this you need the concord free pass(CFP).

A CFP is a killright you can buy from Concord. It is priced with respect to the selected system security and influenced by Concord faction standing. It will be selectable during the bounty placement process very similar to how you select insurance. So for a CFP for a 1.0 system there must be a minimum bounty of 50,000,000 isk (so a payment of at least 100,000,000 isk) plus and additional 100,000,000 isk. This means the total minimum of a 1.0 CFP bounty is 200,000,000 isk. The rest of the security systems would follow: .9, 45,000,000 minimum bounty, 90,000,000 minimum fee; .8, 40,000,000 minimum bounty, 80,000,000 minimum fee; and so forth.

CFP bounties are not posted to the CFP Bounty board for 24 hours. This means there is a 24 hour period between placing a CFP bounty and it being available to be claimed.

A bounty can be placed without a CFP, these bounties are open to any and all.

A bounty with a CFP can only be picked up by one person at a time. After picking up the CFP Bounty you have 72 hours to kill your target. After that window the CFP Bounty is returned to the CFP Bounty board and you can never pick up that specific bounty again.

Finally, All ships that have a bounty on them and are killed will drop character specific bounty claim unit. This unit is what must be turned in to receive the bounty. A CFP Bounty target will only drop a bounty claim unit if the Bounty hunter who has the CFP Bounty is both the highest none NPC damage and the killing blow.


A person who really wants to make a living as a bounty hunter can. Due to the high placement cost the bounties will be lower so as an income, Bounty Hunting wont be crazy profitable. The VAST majority of Bounty hunting will still happen in lawless space.
If you want to just follow a bounty hunter and loot his target before him you can. If a bounty hunter is ganked with a bounty claim unit on board and it does not drop the bounty is reset. A bounty will only be removed from the board when it is claimed. Meaning if you kill your target and collect your Bounty claim unit and chose to log off. Someone can come and kill the target again, collect another bounty claim unit and collect the reward right out from under you.