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I'm so angry I want to punch something. Or someone.

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Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-07-28 11:18:05 UTC
No, this isn't pubbie tears after a gank, this is something that legitimately deserves CCP's attention.


The amount of anti-transgender bigotry (I refuse to call it transphobia because let's face it, the majority of those responsible are just assholes) and attendant abuse going on in EVE chat and evemail is staggering. I found myself having to block at least two people in corp chat because they were absolutely hellbent on misgendering trans folk simply for the sake of it, and getting ornery when I called them out on their cruelty. I just found out that my trans friend and beloved corpmate has refused to renew her subscription on the grounds that she is unwilling to sift though 50 evemails telling her to kill herself for being trans every time she logs in.

If you have a problem with trans people, if you can't accept that there are those who are willing and able to become another gender, I sincerely hope you are banned from EVE permanently because there is NOTHING that justifies bigotry against anyone. You can get away with a lot of shenanigans in the EVE universe, but tormenting a transgender player is not one of them. If you think that's OK, then I think it's OK to put my fist in your face.

It's one thing to taunt someone for losing a PvP fight; it's quite another to tell them to take their own life because they chose to be the person they want to be.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-07-28 11:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#3 - 2015-07-28 11:23:14 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game?


why do others need to broadcast their hate (& fears)?
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-07-28 11:25:10 UTC
If this is true then I sincerely hope it's been ticketed, and the evemails saved.

I have an old army mate who became female and really got some crap at work, (yes I work for the same company)

I'm not sure bringing it in here was a good idea though.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#5 - 2015-07-28 11:29:54 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
If this is true then I sincerely hope it's been ticketed, and the evemails saved.

I have an old army mate who became female and really got some crap at work, (yes I work for the same company)

I'm not sure bringing it in here was a good idea though.


This.

Send in your petitions and deal with it properly. Broadcasting it in the forums is just as silly as volunteering to your corp the information in the first place. Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#6 - 2015-07-28 11:30:40 UTC
You'll find the same bigotry here as you will in the real world, sadly.

It's always there waiting to pounce, so just like in RL the way you also behave or project yourself can help keep it at bay, or even attract more it. I think in my 5 years of EVE I've discussed my own RL sexuality maybe twice, in friendly circles. It really has no relevance to my EVE or anyone else's.

Mails like the ones you mentioned would be reportable I'd imagine.

In anycase, sorry to hear some knobs are giving your friend and you a hard time ♥

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-07-28 11:31:26 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game?


I wouldn't say that being open about your gender is broadcasting your sexual preferences.

Broadcasting your liking for anal, oral, older partners, sex toys..that's broadcasting sexual preferences.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#8 - 2015-07-28 11:32:28 UTC
War Kitten wrote:


Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game.


secondlife begs to differ:)
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#9 - 2015-07-28 11:38:32 UTC
embrel wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game.


secondlife begs to differ:)


Last I checked, this is EVE Online. :)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#10 - 2015-07-28 11:39:59 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
embrel wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game.


secondlife begs to differ:)


Last I checked, this is EVE Online. :)


dammit, that's why I get such poor responses to my advances
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#11 - 2015-07-28 11:40:04 UTC
your friend should report said emails
Thorlund Amatin
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-07-28 11:40:18 UTC
This might sound harsh, even though I agree with the general gist of what you're saying.

People absolutely should not be subject to abuse simply because of their gender, or sexual identity, or race, etc. Absolutely not.

But when I'm in New Eden, I couldn't give a flying toss what your gender is or who you like to sleep with. I don't care, and I don't want to know. I won't abuse you for doing it because hopefully I'm not a horrible person. If we become friends and discuss it in private chat or whatever then fine, but otherwise I don't care. I see plenty of that stuff on social media.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#13 - 2015-07-28 11:42:14 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game?

for the few to rule the many

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-07-28 11:48:03 UTC
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
This might sound harsh, even though I agree with the general gist of what you're saying.

People absolutely should not be subject to abuse simply because of their gender, or sexual identity, or race, etc. Absolutely not.

But when I'm in New Eden, I couldn't give a flying toss what your gender is or who you like to sleep with. I don't care, and I don't want to know. I won't abuse you for doing it because hopefully I'm not a horrible person. If we become friends and discuss it in private chat or whatever then fine, but otherwise I don't care. I see plenty of that stuff on social media.




Sure, I can go with that. But sometimes the subject comes up in corp chat, or one corpmate confides in another, then the next thing you know you're cleaning the turds out of your inbox.

@War Kitten: My friend quit EVE rather than deal with it, so the mails will likely never get reported. I'm bringing it to the forums because 1) I'm too angry to care and 2) I'm putting bigots on notice.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
Crystalline Entity
Black Dragon PHP
#15 - 2015-07-28 11:48:23 UTC
oh wow, this **** made it into eve as well Smile
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#16 - 2015-07-28 11:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Candi LeMew
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
But when I'm in New Eden, I couldn't give a flying toss what your gender is or who you like to sleep with. I don't care, and I don't want to know.

I agree with your statements, though you might be surprised on that last point. A ton of people do want to know.

Personally I am very, very often asked what my age, sex and location is by other players.

I always raise an eyebrow when someone wants to know that within the first five minutes of meeting.

A lot of people do want/need to know, it seems. And imo that's kinda sad tbh.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-07-28 11:51:31 UTC
Crystalline Entity wrote:
oh wow, this **** made it into eve as well Smile


it's not LGBT people's fault we're constantly having to defend ourselves.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2015-07-28 11:54:45 UTC
Harassment, abuse, or threatening another player is prohibited by the EVE Online Terms of Service. If your friend submits a support ticket to report harassing behavior, our Game Master team can address the issue.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2015-07-28 11:59:38 UTC
I often wonder if this is a high sec thing because I just don't see this kind of thing happen in game.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#20 - 2015-07-28 12:05:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I often wonder if this is a high sec thing because I just don't see this kind of thing happen in game.


When I was in UC I saw a couple of rather unpleasant people in corp chat. Quite possibly, player corps can just kick out the unpleasant types.
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