EVE New Citizens Q&A

First, I wasn't sure if this post should go here or in the Ships&Modules forum. I've seen other similar posts here, but move it if this is not the correct place.

Ok, with the disclaimer out of the way, a bit about my character to put the fitting in context.

I'm a new player. I tried Eve last year but was overwhelmed and left in two days, this time around I'm hooked though, and I'm reading A LOT. There's a lot to learn and to understand. Now I just finished all the career agent missions.

Evemon says I have 930k sp, mostly core skills at 3 or 4 and drone and navigation skills as I know for a fact I want to explore. The rest is a bit all over the place as I queued skills as I needed for this or that module.

Now, before going to exploration "full time" I want to finish the SOE arc, as it drives you through a lot of the "game world" and allows you to see more game mechanics than the career agents. Not to speak of the isk, i need it to buy the cloaking skill book for example, 3.5mil is a hefty price.

I was flying a Tristan but for the SOE arc I want to fly an Algos. I know it's a bit too much for the first missions and not enough for the last ones - or so I read - but sort of a good middle ground I think (I prefer it over the catalyst I received, drones over blasters).

So I prepared this fit with pyfa, after reading a lot, and want to know if it will be enough for most of the missions (and other Lvl 1 missions I'll make along the way). I "must" know because at this stage, the price of the components is of importance to me (I'm down to 4mil from 7mil at the end of the career agents) and I've been flying up and down to find this modules at a decent price (500k difference in the regolith IS important to me) and placed some buy orders when the price is overwhelming (that's how I bought the Algos, a 1mil buy order instead of the 1.7 they were selling for) but that forces you to wait a lot to buy it all.

So, this is the fitting:

[Algos PVE Soe Arc]

[High]

125mm Compressed Coil Gun I (Antimatter)
125mm Compressed Coil Gun I (Antimatter)
125mm Compressed Coil Gun I (Antimatter)
75mm Compressed Coil Gun I (Iridium for range)
75mm Compressed Coil Gun I (Iridium for range)
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[Medium]

Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium F-S9 regolith Compact Shield Extender
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

[Low]

Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Damage Control I

[Rig]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

[Drones]

5x Hobgoblin I (2 full flights just in case, I can't use mediums or tec2 atm)
2x Salvage Drone I

HERE you can see a Pyfa screenshot if you prefer

So, any thoughts? Will this fitting (with improvements along the way) drive me through the arc without dying or having to GTFO to repair every mission?

Thanks in advance :)

If you find it difficult to crack dagan, you can also try fitting blasters (just for that one mission, mind you), load antimatter and engage him at point blank range. He's not very dangerous, if you can get under his tracking (which shouldn't be a problem, using a frigate or destroyer).

Mixing different guns of the same category is actually ok, as long as they are all shooting roughly at the same range. Especially with low SP, you have to be inventive with fittings.

Yup, I also read about fitting blasters, firing the afterburner and go to town orbiting dagan, will try that.

That mixing guns... yeah, I intended to go full 125's but can't with my skills atm. I'd have to add a lot more capacitor/cpu modules/riggings (and I think not even then). So it's either this mix or go full 75's. Mixed them going for the long range (that's why iridium charges on the 75's) so I could help my drones from as far as possible (getting close at 282 m/s is not ideal, pyfa says 533 m/s firing the AB).

So you recommend "downgrading" all to 75's then?

Also, have to look at those changes Do Little mentions. I'm a bit worried about the capacitor lasting 2.5 minutes (always acording to pyfa).

I have basic engineering skills @ 3 and CPU manag. and Electronic upgrd. @ 4. The rest are queued to 5 but I'm now in the 4 to 9 days range so... it will take time. Besides some of those damn skill books are pretty expensive . Time to save isk and go shopping.




Haha, thanks. I'm afraid though I'd die just as fast looking at the business end of your guns ;)

Yes, and use one ammo type. You want to be able to get to X km from a target (where X is a distance not too far into falloff and where you can track the enemy) and put all your damage onto him, not half and have half being wasted.

The character I used to build the Algos fit is not high skill. To make it work you will need:
Capacitor management 3
Capacitor operation 4
CPU management 4
Power grid management 4
Beginner gunnery skills
Jury rigging 3, Shield rigging 1
Hull upgrades 2
Energy grid upgrades 2

This gives me 117dps with hobgoblin 1's 10K ehp with 31 dps passive regen and 13 minutes of capacitor which should be plenty. My character has absolutely no gunnery skills and no drone support skills so your dps should be quite a bit better.

The level 4 skills will each take 18 hours or so (get basic +3 implants if you haven't already done so)

I'm using EFT which lets you change skills up and down to see what difference they make - I assume PYFA has a similar feature

Yep, I've tried with pyfa to add the levels I don't have and it's a viable fit once I get there (just need to up one level in both capacitor operation and Power Grid Management. I have both @3).

So if I've understood your fit well you gave me a better damage control system, exchanged my cpu enhancer rig with a power grid enhancer module and gave me an em shield rig. Got it right? I'm trying to better understand fittings, but there's so many modules and parts that is impossible for me to know all the posibilities unless I spend hours comparing :).

Overall an enhancement on power consumption of the modules and 1k more on effective HP. It gives me 3m 59s on capacitor though, with everything running. Another thing is, on my fit (with pyfa) I have CPU and Power Grid green bars and with yours I have Power Grid on orange (101.11%) or red without the skills I lack (105%). You can see it HERE. It can be that I have no idea though. And of course this is all theorical as I can't try it ingame (ghost fitting isn't there yet right?).

[EDIT]

In fact, just tried my fitting in game (My last buy order just filled) and not all the numbers from pyfa are right, less dps in game, I guess the game shows raw hp and pyfa shows raw and effective.... man! there's a lot to learn.

It seems there is something I didn't quite understand relating the fitting window with the "real world". In the fitting window, with all modules fitted and online it says "depletes in 2:40" If I put offline the invulnerability it says "stable". I undocked with all online and it's stable. So I guess the fitting window shows which would be the capacitor behaviour with ALL modules actively running, not just "online" right? .

I think using Pyfa confused me because of how it shows the capacitor. With all modules online pyfa says "stable", with all modules active it says "depletes in 2:40" where the game shows the "depletes in" while docked with the modules online...

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If those skill I lack and need to be able to run your fit more or less stable don't take too long, I'll try to sell the modules I got and substitute them for the ones you recommend, thanks!

The implants.... well, can't do. At 8mill each those are WAY out of my league :D




At what range you'd recommend for the 125's compressed with antimmater for example, to have a point of reference



Well, it seems all 75mm railguns are more expensive than their 125mm counterpart (150k vs 475k for the prototype gauss for example), at least all I checked on eve central.

I put that much emphasis on the monetary side of this because while the fit I came up with isn't the best (or any of it's iterations really, you can really patch just that far) it has to do the job nut, more importantly it HAS TO BE a fiiting I can afford to lose.

That's why if a less expensive version is enough to do it without getting me killed it will have to suffice for the moment. As it is right now, if I lose this ship I can afford to buy another equally fitted one and that's all. Of course as I want to explore I have a basic fitted Imicus so I won't be going down to rookie ship any time soon.... though shouldn't talk too much, in Eve losing ships seems like the favourite national sport

Thanks, I thought it has to be something like that, supply and demand. That's one of the things I love about this game. More expensive things aren't always the better ones, and it greatly varies depending on the region or solar system you are in :D

Angular velocities... yes, I remember reading about that, but I'll try to introduce changes step by step in my "workflow". There's a lot to learn and understand.

Well, this IS NCQ&A so...

Not in my experience. The posters in NCQ&A are unfailingly helpful. Even better, they give varied answers that make one think, as in this thread.

Just a couple of months in myself, and I'm learning so much from this thread too. Thanks for starting it and for all the answers so far.