Ships & Modules

I will not re-type all of this here so instead I will give you a link.

There is also a Muninn Rebalance thread buried in F&I somewhere, where i thoroughly debunk the crud about "hurf Arty alpha" by demonstrating even an ishtar with sentries has better Alpha than Muninns. Hell, rail boats have better alpha than arty boats.

The TL;DR is that by and large missile systems are interchangeable - roughly the same PG and CPU requirements for HAM and HML and RLML. This is why Cerbs are better than Vagabonds; you can make a RLML Cerb to swat frigs, a HAM cerb for DPS and HML Cerb for long range fleet work. You cannot simply swap ACs for Arty even if the guns were worth putting on the hull.

Which they are NOT. the whole fallacy of "minmatar fight in falloff" being an advantage must stop. It's like saying "get your DPS. Now tear up half of it and hope that it's enough to drop your foe. If its not, hope that being slower than your foe by 20% will let you escape. If not, hope you fit double webs or something. What? You shield tanked? *mic drop, table flip, door slam*

Shaf Fluffers says the Arty Stabber is good. Rail Thorax.
Says the SFI is a good brawler. Vexor Navy. like...double the DPS and actually applies to to point range and beyond.

The Tempest got a buff. it now has BS level DPS, but it's all over the place like a mad woman's knickers for tank, mobility and fitting. It could use another 30 CPU to fit two heavy neuts/Nos in shield, and could use an extra bit of PG to fit armour. Then it would be a good battleship. Right now you get more DPS out of a Gila, better tank and better mobility. Plus better DPS projection because #falloff.

Maelstrom. Why do?

In the end, minmatar have a couple of good ships, mostly related to EWAR niches (Loki, Rapier-Huginn, Vigil), or just being balls-out OP (Svipul). But they suffer from projectiles.

As said on my blog;
rebalancing Minmatar requires a rework of fitting for Projectiles to make AC and Arty interchangeable (+/- 2-5%) so it's viable to run arty or AC on basically the same fitting, maybe with an RCU for arty boats. Yes, this will require a lot of tweaking of ship powergrids and so on, but it's simpler than maintaining this illusion it's worth blowing all your PG for a weapon system that definitively sucks.
The ammo benefits and damage type distribution needs to be refactored so there is an EM-heavy and kinetic-explosive heavy choice for short, medium/tracking, and long
Adjust reload times mebbe?
A definitive statement on what the Minmatar philosophy is, because we have this myth that they are fast and kitey but in almost all cases are slower than Gallente. CCP needs to come out and say they are designed not to be faster than Gallente (this is the truth) and let people get over their idea of kiting with minmatar, and just get down to the fact they therefore suck.

If these steps are taken, you might be able to salvage some good from Minmatar hulls beyond the few good ones (which are just as good as their competitors, or less so).

Which Minmatar ships are slower than their Gallente counterparts? I agree with much of what you said but not that. Minmatar cruisers are as fast or faster than other race's assault frigates and some can attain nearly frigate speeds; they can definitely kite.

The problem is their DPS is too anemic to use their speed to brawl effectively and that damage is even more anemic at kite ranges so it takes a ridiculous amount of time to kite to death anything bigger than a cruiser.

Basically the speed alone isn't sufficient to make them good for solo and small gang because they just have too little damage to capitalize on it vs the damage potential of lighter slower, much harder hitting kite setups of other races.

I was "hibernating" at the time, but I think they nerfed vexor speed a bit so it is not faster than the rupture anymore when plated, of course that didn't do much for the ruppie but that's another story.

Remove all falloff bonus in Minmatar ships, add them to the ACs, and re-work the ship stats/bonus from there? Lot's of work right.
So much stuff about the re-balance? When did it start? 3 years ago? 4? "Changes will be faster now" - they said, I think they were talking about changing icons because they didn't even completed the initial re-balance. Ok, some changes were made to re-re-re-balance stuff but most are so minor that in the end things are taking much longer to change than when the initial re-balance started.

I only have experience at a frigate level, but It is apparent that is time to Galente to shine now, be it because of drones, railguns, 2nd best speed (with the best agility combo making them great slingshoters) or the hull rigs with their awesome lack of drawbacks. In the end is if nothing changed, we just wait a few more years and another race will be on top, with luck, if eve goes 20, maybe we can see Minmatar on top again.

About the 20, I really hope so because I really care about this game, I just have a hard time to grasp the lack of deployment speed in all this small changes, if they are waiting for meta to evolve, and if the meta takes so much time to evolve, shouldn't the re-balance changes be more drastic? And if such bonus numbers are currently needed in a t1 hull to try to make it viable (tempest) shouldn't they take a better look to check where the problem is?

And the circle has thus complete it self

have yet to find a cruiser that beats the stabber in terms of speed and it does enjoy munching frigates.

In this new age of fozziesov rlml are no good as the ships that use them are all too slow to catch a trollcepter and frigates avoid rlml ships like the plague. The fleet stabber however is able to run them down. When less specialised the t1 stabber makes for cheap and effective anti frig/tackle.

The biggest issue with matari ships is people want to seek out excuses to not use them, most of them are still viable.

Caracal is fantastic but too slow and is avoided like the plague by frigates.


Fitting room and cap use mainly plus that very nice tracking bonus.



Thats because you haven't accounted for the way I think.

You two are a riot, LOL.

One is a Soloist and the other a Fleetist. Complete opposite mind sets won't see eye to eye no matter how close they try to stare at each other, lol.

Needs more Red.... and/or Flames...

You cant put stripes on a hotrod!!! ... they would catch FIRE!!!!.... Seriously dont put go faster stripes on a hotrod....