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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-07-26 20:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Oh hai.
So I had an idea about how to make ECM more fun and balanced.
Since my ideas are usually terrible, this one is probably terrible, too.

Current problems with ECM:

1. More powerful than any other form of electronic warfare
2. being locked down is unfun (the most important part).

Suggestion:
Instead of keeping a ship from firing or using targeted modules (less pew = less fun), how about ECM messes with friend/foe recognition like the good, old Ordos Deviators from the Dune RTS series?
Being affected by ECM would temporarily:
1. randomly re-arrange your overview, making a third of both allied and enemy ships look either hostile, neutral or friendly/fleetmember,
2. confuse your own drones in space and make them target you.

Like other forms of electronic warfare, two scripts would be available:
1. Fleet script: no effect on drones, but also adds fake fleet broadcasts to your messed up overview
2. Drone script: no change in overview, but every allied drone on grid has a chance of targeting you (greater chance for drones closer to target)

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#2 - 2015-07-26 20:56:55 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Oh hai.
So I had an idea about how to make ECM more fun and balanced.
Since my ideas are usually terrible, this one is probably terrible, too.

Current problems with ECM:

1. More powerful than any other form of electronic warfare
2. being locked down is unfun (the most important part).

Suggestion:
Instead of keeping a ship from firing or using targeted modules (less pew = less fun), how about ECM messes with friend/foe recognition like the good, old Ordos Deviators from the Dune RTS series?
Being affected by ECM would temporarily:
1. randomly re-arrange your overview, making a third of both allied and enemy ships look either hostile, neutral or friendly/fleetmember,
2. confuse your own drones in space and make them target you.

Like other forms of electronic warfare, two scripts would be available:
1. Fleet script: no effect on drones, but also adds fake fleet broadcasts to your messed up overview
2. Drone script: no change in overview, but every allied drone on grid has a chance of targeting you (greater chance for drones closer to target)

1. ECM isn't overpowered compared to other forms of electronic warfare.
2. You can mitigate the chance of being locked down if you plan for it.

If you don't like ECM, then chose not to engage it. I don't like fighting neut ships, so I don't fight them.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#3 - 2015-07-26 20:58:28 UTC
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:

If you don't like ECM, then chose not to engage it. I don't like fighting neut ships, so I don't fight them.


All I'm saying is because of falcon.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Madd Adda
#4 - 2015-07-26 21:00:28 UTC
Less pew for you means more fun for me. Why are you trying to my fun away?

Carebear extraordinaire
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2015-07-26 21:05:40 UTC
If you want it removed, ask for it to be removed. Don't just ask for it to be made useless.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#6 - 2015-07-26 21:40:06 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:

If you don't like ECM, then chose not to engage it. I don't like fighting neut ships, so I don't fight them.


All I'm saying is because of falcon.

You mean the Falcon is the only recon that can cloak?
There are no cloaking neut boats? Or web boats? Or damp/disruptor boats?

Look.

The Rapier gets bonuses to TPs AND Webs. That's the two Minmatar Ewar.
Pilgrim gets bonuses to TD AND neuts. The two Amarr Ewar.
The Lachesis gets bonuses to Damps AND scram. The two Gallente Ewar.

What does the Falcon get?
Bonus to ECM strength; okay, that makes sense. Why not.
And...
Reduced ECM cap usage? Um, I didn't know I needed that. As a matter of fact, I don't need that.

Falcons are not OP. As a matter of fact, Falcons are underpowered compared to the other Recons.

How about ECM itself?
Well Damps always hit things within range. Neuts always hit within range. TD, TP, scram and web always hit.

But ECM doesn't always hit within optimal, and within falloff it's even worse.

On top of that, when we're getting into larger ships with higher sig strength, ECM becomes less and less effective across the board, whereas other Ewar works just fine on other ships. Damps have 100% chance to break the lock of a battleship if you apply enough and if you are at range, PLUS they can force the battleship to be practically unable to lock small targets in any reasonable time. TDs can turn scary battleship guns into a rave party that doesn't hit ****. TPs are, granted, kinda worthless on larger targets, but they still hit. Webs can be mean, neuts can be devistating, points are points. But ECM gets less and less effective as ships move up into T2, T3 and BC and up hulls.

Caldari needs a buff.
Arazu Helios
The Church of Awesome
#7 - 2015-07-26 21:48:28 UTC
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:

If you don't like ECM, then chose not to engage it. I don't like fighting neut ships, so I don't fight them.


All I'm saying is because of falcon.

You mean the Falcon is the only recon that can cloak?
There are no cloaking neut boats? Or web boats? Or damp/disruptor boats?

Look.

The Rapier gets bonuses to TPs AND Webs. That's the two Minmatar Ewar.
Pilgrim gets bonuses to TD AND neuts. The two Amarr Ewar.
The Lachesis gets bonuses to Damps AND scram. The two Gallente Ewar.

What does the Falcon get?
Bonus to ECM strength; okay, that makes sense. Why not.
And...
Reduced ECM cap usage? Um, I didn't know I needed that. As a matter of fact, I don't need that.

Falcons are not OP. As a matter of fact, Falcons are underpowered compared to the other Recons.

How about ECM itself?
Well Damps always hit things within range. Neuts always hit within range. TD, TP, scram and web always hit.

But ECM doesn't always hit within optimal, and within falloff it's even worse.

On top of that, when we're getting into larger ships with higher sig strength, ECM becomes less and less effective across the board, whereas other Ewar works just fine on other ships. Damps have 100% chance to break the lock of a battleship if you apply enough and if you are at range, PLUS they can force the battleship to be practically unable to lock small targets in any reasonable time. TDs can turn scary battleship guns into a rave party that doesn't hit ****. TPs are, granted, kinda worthless on larger targets, but they still hit. Webs can be mean, neuts can be devistating, points are points. But ECM gets less and less effective as ships move up into T2, T3 and BC and up hulls.

Caldari needs a buff.



^^^^ +1
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#8 - 2015-07-26 22:53:15 UTC
Whilst a T1 frig will be permajammed by a Griffin with one mod. A falcon needs 3 racial specific jams out of its seven slots to expect a single successful jam against a T3. So depending on who you ask, ECM can be overpowered or underpowered.

I propose that at least one issue with ECM is the large differences between sensor str between ship types.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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