Crime & Punishment

Actually I'll throw in here. I think utilizing hangers of any other ship while suspect or criminal should send the hanger ship suspect. The ability to reship under suspect flag or stash goods while suspect is crazy.

I also agree because when it comes to freighter pilots I want to believe that these pilots are sitting on billions of isk and can afford to lose them. I'm not sure if this is honestly true or not but to move around billions and billions of isk they must be making a lot of isk. Whereas the new retriever pilot has invested a large majority of his isk into this ship which is now gone and he's gotta go back to the drawing board which could cause that pilot to quit Eve or even could cause the creation of a monster.

The best part is that you even admit earlier in your post that the disproportionate value of isk to newbies is YOUR FAULT.

You're the one stripping belts in half an hour, right? YOU are the one devaluing the effort of new players, not gankers.

That's why highsec should be much less safe. So bloated carebears like you can't run up such ridiculous inflation and devalue new player income while cowering behind the disgusting safety of highsec.

Congratulations, you are more "the problem" than gankers could ever be.

So I don't care, it's only a biproduct of how I used to play being removed, I'd rather make the problem worse till they fix it than give a **** about the morals of how I'm trying to get there.

Meh I don't need to.

I never thought I'd say this but there's a definite possibility that CAM has hit the nail on the head.

Ima Spyalt, you're a bitter, selfish and hypocritical coward, apparently you're also of repugnant character.

People like you are poison.

Bonus rooms?

The act of finding and landing on the right gank at the right time is tough enough. Unlike ganking, they don't have an infinite amount of time, they've got a very small window of opportunity. Then their whole team has to be on the ball to have a hope of stopping it. It's not "approach, F1, see you back at HQ". Maybe you should give it a try sometime so you can understand it from their point of view.

I can beat a 5 year old at boxing, I can't beat the world heavyweight champion. Some ganks can be stopped because they may already be pushing their luck trying to pull it off with the team they have. If that group is even remotely competent then AGs are irrelevant.

That's because you hyperdunk though. Hyperdunking is easier to prevent than "standard" ganking because there's less people involved and so less margin for error.

LOL, so for every F1 monkey in a 2m isk ship, if AGs had an awake competent player in a 20-30m isk ship and someone to get those ships on grid with a gank target at just the right time, and they all run their logi at the right time (it's burst logi, it doesn't last forever), then they can stop a gank. Of course all the gankers need to to is fly to an alternate target and the logi ships would warp too slow to arrive on time even if they realise that was happening. And you still don't understand why there's a difference in difficulty between the two sides of the mechanic?


It's not quite been that much of a difference, but you'd expect us to at least acknowledge them and bring more guys or upship where needed. But nope.

I agree. Making stolen goods take the ship suspect would increase conflict and give more things to fight over. But the reason this isn't the case aside from development time, is the continual bubble wrapping of highsec. This change would allow any fleet member to make you go suspect without your knowledge or control. Therefore, it would make fleet hangers very dangerous to use and break the fool-proof nature of the green safety setting.

You could play some tricks linking use of the fleet hanger to the safety setting, but it still won't solve the fundamental problem that the code is unable to track the "stolen" state of the goods so they could just be laundered through a jetcan or mobile depot (or just left in the mobile depot and return 15 minutes later). That change would also make the fleet hanger unusable in say fleet operations without accepting the risk anyone in the fleet could awox you.


This "think of the children" argument is a bit of a red herring. A quick glance at the CODE. killboard shows that their primary targets are overloaded haulers and exhumers, ships only piloted by established players. The majority of ships destroyed belong to established players, like Ima Spyalt there who abuse the free security of highsec to run their industrial operations. The few true new players that get caught tend to get special attention in the form of advice and ISK from gankers, just like PvPers do in every space in Eve.

One of the (many) problems AG seem to share, is the propensity to classify pretty much any player in highsec as a "noob" no matter how long they have been playing the game. You are not a new player if you have been playing this game for six months, even if you want to claim so because you have never done anything else but mine in highsec. Certainly, on the scale of Eve proficiency you are not much better than a two-week old player who jumped right into faction warfare, but you cannot wrap yourself in a "noob" flag forever just because you don't want to compete.

Isolating new players from this core game play of Eve is not healthy nor fair for anyone. As Globby said, eventually they are going to lose a ship - in fact that really is one of the major things Eve is about - so better it be a cheap one early on than one containing multi-months of their effort down the road. Ventures are so cheap they can be replaced in a single load of ore, and even a Retriever loss would only sting if you ignored the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" mantra and lost it an hour after you bought it. Certainly, such rare edge cases are not what ganking should be balanced around and as we heard from CCP Rise, ganking does not cause new players to quit the game in any significant number.

The real problem, and why ganking is in the game, is to provide at least some risk to entitled bears like Ima Spyalt, who use CONCORD to protect their industrial operations at no cost. Without ganking, they could just pour all their capital into industrial ships and use them AFK to completely out-compete the new players. New players should be rewarded for their efforts, while lazy, AFKing established players need to be "discouraged" from griefing the new players in the ice and asteroid belts of highsec via the persuasive power of antimatter.