EVE General Discussion

They do that too. Drones, Railguns, Recons, Miningbarges and now missiles.

So the answer is nothing unless its your only tool to balance. In that case you're only using half of your options.

The real issue is identifying the imbalance and buffing or nerfing just that ie don't nerf missiles because Calvary ravens nerf dual mwd, likewise don't nerf or buff a number of modules / ships because Sentry Ishtar, nerf Ishtar deploying sentries.

Seems simple

Nerfing over powered things causes a LOT less damage. Nerfs do not mean it becomes useless. Usually something gets nerfed to a reasonable level and every terribad pilot/gamer that was abusing it goes "Wah it's useless now" when in fact it's often still good. If you are butthurt over your drone ships getting weakened, go sit in a medium plex in a Curse. You can thank me later for the ez kills.

1. you should have posted in those other threads, rude and forum violation. making a thread about a thread, this thread will probably be locked.

2. You are confusing buffing and power creep. Buffing is increasing the power of some ship because it is to low and after looking into the situation the DEVS decide that increasing the power of a ship rather than making other changes like nerfing an entire ship class is the best balancing decision.

Power creep is fairly consistently increasing the stats of all ships which accomplishes actually nothing at all. For example, if a ship A has its dps increased by 10%, then you increase the stats of all other ships by 10% you have done nothing except make the numbers on the screen bigger and made the server do more computional work, which is not only a waste if time in ship balance but because the server is now working harder you are in increasing time dialation, aka lag.

Balance requires balance. Both nerfs and buffs are needed.

My blanket approach is not to use blanket approaches.

I find most attempts at "balance" are heavy handed no matter the nature, buff or nerf. It has always been my contention that balance is an illusion.. and that re-addressing the illusionary balance is unnecessary. In fact, a certain amount of imbalance is necessary in order to have an interesting game, other wise all ships would be nearly identical aside from visual and audible differences. I get just as irritated listening to cries for nerfs or buffs from null sec as I do from high sec. Stop the re-balance... add new stuff!

Torps were nerfed the middle of 2007 to 2008 as far as I had remembered.

As CCP has said they are re-balancing nearly everything in the game and its not called a nerf .

I dont think its so much of a buf vs nerf thing.

Rather they shouldnt be listening to the whine threads by masses of people who learn how to play the game.

Recently theres been loads of whinging idiots crying and begging ccp to nerf the shield sentry ishtar even more lol. If you can't cope with people warping in at range and killing you you are playing the wrong game.

Both the sentries and the ishtar and the drone damage mod got nerfed. Its not the first time this has happened and not just to the ishtar. Sentries should be powerfull considering the huge amount of skillpoints you need to invest in them and considering the fact they can ealiy be shot at smart bombed ect unlike any other weapon system.

Every fleet has its hole in its concept like those exhast hole on the deathstar. Sniper fleets generaly can cope with anything that can get under their guns. Anything that relies on speed cant cope with webs all you need is soone to get you a warp in close enough and quick enough. Those nano fleets that were all the rage back in the day until they were whined out of existance were a lot of fun. They were vulnerable to a lot of things, heavy neuts, recons ect ect....

In many cases eve is a game of rock, paper, scissors

Because it is an Infinite never ending path to failure. Balance is about movign BOTH ends.