Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Tech one or lower level entry, capital ships that also have bonus to pve / ratting, with strong defensive bonus, maybe bastion mode, and just enough adequate dps / stats for pve task. This is not something to avoid risk, but a way to fight defensively solo.

Triage mode and Siege mode more than triple the (already considerable) defensive power of capitals (see: ~2,500 to 3,000 dps omni-tank without Triage/Siege to 10 to 15,000 dps omni-tank with Triage/Siege).

In the case of Carriers, this comes at the cost of being able to do damage (it can't use drones). With Dreds... well... a Dred without Siege mode is practically useless.

And it takes a sizable fleet to pin down, much less kill, a Supercapital due to their E-War invulnerability and massive EHP.


Also...

- why should cap ships get a bonus to PvE? No ship has that.

- capitals are by design, not meant to flight solo. They are capital ships... not WTFBBQPWNMobiles.


Question: have you ever flown a capital ship?

Can the bastion last ten minutes and randomly come on, so that we can find your cap in anomalies in The Spire, and dunk it? That would be nice, cheers.

More defense is useful if it buys your offense time to destroy the threat or if the cavalry/CONCORD is coming to save you. Otherwise it just prolongs the agony.

Define 'enough dps'. My old ratting ishtar did ~800. My older ratting Talos (rip) did something like 1200. Once upon a time people ratted in 300 DPS drakes.

Which one of those is 'enough dps'?

Why can you not just use a carrier, since it already does everything you want, better, and you can get the hulls for under a billion nowadays?

And how does this give you an option to fight solo? A solo ratting capital is a dead ratting capital if it gets caught, so what makes you think that a ship specifically designed to be bad at PVP is going to be good enough at PVP to fight it's way out of a mess that a pure PVP cap can't?

Well, why? People will reliably activate it themselves, no need for taking chances with randomness.

On topic: OP, what you describe can actually be done with existing ships. Carriers and marauders have decent options to tank stuff and deal enough damage to rat, then they require considerable effort to dunk. Carriers don't even need to enter any modes that would root them in place.

So, what is that you want those ships don't have?

Yes a hull that anyone can use, but also fighting defensively can beat others just because it has not been done before does not mean that it carn't work, or made to work, what i am suggesting is that the way you could win is by timing and activating certain modes, you would need to use skill just the same as using the new tech 3 destroyers and changing modes. it would be similar to siege warfare. There is a chance that yes my ship could still get destroyed but im willing to take that risk given the fact that your able to put up a fight against a group, and that is the main thing. This could be a battleship instead of a capital.

So basically if you don't have the skill points, go get f**ked.

you mean just like the ones that trained all those skills aswell ? yes, when i started i had to do with the little skills i had and i was dreaming of all the ships/modules i could not use (properly) now i got 97,5 million SP and i can fly a lot of ships very good (not marauders dont care for them that much) the way you talk we should give everybody all skills at lvl 5 and be done with it or is there a point to be made if so plz do make that point

So basically you want all of the strengths and abilities of a Marauder/Capital ship but don't want to pay/invest either time or ISK into getting it.
Oh, and you don't want this hypothetical ship to have the weaknesses of said existing ships either.


Let me pose a question to you; why would anyone ever fly any other ship if this one existed in the form you describe? (see: cheap, ultra tanky, and low to no skill investment)