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Tech 3 Destroyers OP for small FW plex.

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Inslander Wessette
Unleashed' Fury
The Initiative.
#1 - 2015-07-21 19:58:12 UTC
I find that Tech 3 destroyers are not in the same competition or league of other ships ( T1 destroyers and Assault frigates) that can enter a small FW complex . Even with 5 T1 destroyers one cannot kill a hecate or svipul . As such i have no problem with Tech 3 destroyers but i think they should be able to enter medium complex only and not small . This adds up to one of reasons people don't use Assault frigates and T1 destroyers as much .
Mr Duffo
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#2 - 2015-07-21 20:31:41 UTC
My algos has killed and died to them in 1v1. They all have their weaknesses so pew pew boom

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Cyber SGB
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#3 - 2015-07-21 21:05:12 UTC
Inslander Wessette wrote:
I find that Tech 3 destroyers are not in the same competition or league of other ships ( T1 destroyers and Assault frigates) that can enter a small FW complex . Even with 5 T1 destroyers one cannot kill a hecate or svipul . As such i have no problem with Tech 3 destroyers but i think they should be able to enter medium complex only and not small . This adds up to one of reasons people don't use Assault frigates and T1 destroyers as much .


False. I've seen T3 destroyers killed with less.

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Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2015-07-21 21:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Terona
Check my bio. I'm afraid it's the pilot that's in A different league. Not the ship

I've killed three of em. And have been killed by them.

The kill in my bio was before the t3d nerf
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#5 - 2015-07-21 22:36:02 UTC
Have killed t3's in a solo frigate. Flown and fit well they can be tough but 5 t1 dessi's and you can't kill one? Only way that can even happen is if you are completely naive to the concept of tactics/strengths/weaknesses and you're just letting him kill you. Simply do the math, 5 t1's at a measly 250 dps and 10k ehp (both numbers houls be much higher unless you're all 2 week old pilots) gives you 1250 dps and 50k ehp. If he's in a Hecate maxed for dps and tank he's got what 700 dps and 25k ehp max? (just a guess, don't fly hecates but imagine that isn't far from what's possible)
If you can't kill that with nearly twice the dps and twice the ehp then you are obviously failing to apply what you have at your disposal and that's an experience/skill/tactic problem. Not a t3 problem.
Not saying that a situation can't happen where 5 t1's can't kill a t3. Maybe your 5 man fleet of brawl dessi's comes across a kite t3 and for whatever reason you engage him when he's already got the kite advantage. Then perhaps you can't kill him but you shouldn't be dying either, save maybe one of you. But in that situation the problem isn't t3 vs t1 it's kite vs brawl. A kite slicer could just as easily kill you without you being able to touch him.

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-07-21 22:38:17 UTC
T3s can be killed by T1 destroyers. It's relatively rare, but doable.

Example 1
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47618457/

Example 2
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47604799/
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#7 - 2015-07-21 22:43:40 UTC
Inslander Wessette wrote:
Even with 5 T1 destroyers one cannot kill a hecate or svipul.


You need to visit the PIZZA school of thrasher piloting, mate.
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2015-07-21 22:44:55 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera
#9 - 2015-07-21 22:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Inslander Wessette wrote:
Tech 3 Destroyers OP for small FW plex. .
Fixed.
(Handful of exceptions do not dismiss this.)

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#10 - 2015-07-21 23:04:13 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Tech 3 Destroyers OP for small FW plex. .

Exactly. And they certainly don't belong in small plexes. I'd be very surprised if they weren't removed from whatever the equivalent of the small plex is in the upcoming FW revision.

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Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2015-07-21 23:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Terona
Their op compared to what exactly? T1 and t2 frigs? I surely hope so. To t1 and t2 Dessie's? I don't see any reason they shouldn't outclass all the previously mentioned ships.

That being said, their certainly not invincible. Several examples listed here

I think in total I've engaged 7 of em and killed 4. Not bad for a frig jockey
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2015-07-21 23:47:23 UTC
I've a theory that I can kill a gal t3d in a kestrel. I'll be working on that next time I get to play
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#13 - 2015-07-22 00:19:41 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
I've a theory that I can kill a gal t3d in a kestrel. I'll be working on that next time I get to play

Oh I don't doubt it. You just need to locate a newbie that felt they had no way to compete unless they trained directly into T3D's not even having adequate core skills for a T1 frig yet.

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Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2015-07-22 00:25:05 UTC
That's why I will be hunting finuture
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-07-22 01:34:46 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
I've a theory that I can kill a gal t3d in a kestrel. I'll be working on that next time I get to play

Dual webs?

Grrr.

captain skinback
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#16 - 2015-07-22 01:36:24 UTC
tristans op in all FW plex
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2015-07-22 01:42:56 UTC
Td
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#18 - 2015-07-22 02:10:04 UTC
Atron FTW!

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solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-07-22 03:19:22 UTC
Noob question how do you deal with one on a small plex? which kind of ship is better for the job ?
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-07-22 04:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
solrac lara wrote:
Noob question how do you deal with one on a small plex? which kind of ship is better for the job ?


From my research, the best solo ships to kill a T3D with is a Sentinel, Dragoon, and Algos.

With high piloting skill levels,ships like the Thrasher, Coercer, Talwar, Corax, Tristan, Slasher, Rail Comet, Slicer, Daredevil and maybe the Cruor can kill them solo with links .

Just don't bother with using an AF.
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