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Jackson F Kenrick
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-07-17 19:06:05 UTC
A ganker should receive a penalty more then just the loss of their ship. A punitive punishment of a fine I think should be imposed for "criminal" activity. I feel that this fine should be adversely proportionate to the size of ship ganked. In other words the smaller the ship ganked the higher the fine.

Imagine if you will someone drives down Main St in your city and shoots and kills a random person and the only penalty they receive is that the cops impound their car so that they have to go out and buy a new one? If Concord isn't going to blow up their capsule (not suggesting they do) then something MORE needs to be the penalty for ganking someone.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#2 - 2015-07-17 19:12:04 UTC
I disagree with the premise to your idea and think it is unnecessary. I am sure someone else will link you the "Eve is a harsh, dark universe" speech. One could also reference the lex talionis - an eye for an eye - they destroyed your ship, so Concord destroyed their ship.

Idle curiosity prompts me to ask, "If someone gets fined by Concord, can it give them a negative wallet?"

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Black Pedro
Mine.
#3 - 2015-07-17 19:16:52 UTC
Jackson F Kenrick wrote:
A ganker should receive a penalty more then just the loss of their ship. A punitive punishment of a fine I think should be imposed for "criminal" activity. I feel that this fine should be adversely proportionate to the size of ship ganked. In other words the smaller the ship ganked the higher the fine.

Imagine if you will someone drives down Main St in your city and shoots and kills a random person and the only penalty they receive is that the cops impound their car so that they have to go out and buy a new one? If Concord isn't going to blow up their capsule (not suggesting they do) then something MORE needs to be the penalty for ganking someone.

What? There are plenty of addition penalties for ganking but since the whine for additional "consequences" has been gone over a zillion times before in this sub forum, I will just focus on the only novel bit of your post. Why should smaller ships be additionally protected? Because you fly them? Usually people come here arguing that big expensive ships should be additionally protected from gankers for some reason, probably because they lost a freighter or the like.

Smaller ships are the most naturally protected from gankers because they are so nimble. If you get ganked, it can only be because you were AFK or were auto-piloting. Seems like you have all the tools you need be safe, why do we need more NPC enforced "consequences"?

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-07-17 20:12:05 UTC
-10 shouldn't be able to dock anywhere in high space
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2015-07-17 20:21:56 UTC
Yarr! Pirate

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2015-07-17 20:24:19 UTC
Rah McGee wrote:
-10 shouldn't be able to dock anywhere in high space

Why? The mega corporations who own those stations don't answer to Concord, so why should they give two ****s what you do to other immortal capsuleers? I could understand being denied docking based on your standing with the owning corporation, but not based on sec status.
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
#7 - 2015-07-17 20:52:01 UTC
If anything Ganking should be made a little less punishing.
People are getting way too comfortable & entitled in Hisec.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#8 - 2015-07-17 21:11:29 UTC
Jackson F Kenrick wrote:
A ganker should receive a penalty more then just the loss of their ship. A punitive punishment of a fine I think should be imposed for "criminal" activity. I feel that this fine should be adversely proportionate to the size of ship ganked. In other words the smaller the ship ganked the higher the fine.

Imagine if you will someone drives down Main St in your city and shoots and kills a random person and the only penalty they receive is that the cops impound their car so that they have to go out and buy a new one? If Concord isn't going to blow up their capsule (not suggesting they do) then something MORE needs to be the penalty for ganking someone.


You are playing the wrong game sir.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Madd Adda
#9 - 2015-07-17 21:41:25 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Rah McGee wrote:
-10 shouldn't be able to dock anywhere in high space

Why? The mega corporations who own those stations don't answer to Concord, so why should they give two ****s what you do to other immortal capsuleers? I could understand being denied docking based on your standing with the owning corporation, but not based on sec status.


why? mega corps even in the future would have reputation to consider. Haboring criminals would a good to destroy one's own reputation.

Carebear extraordinaire
Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2015-07-17 22:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Madd Adda wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Rah McGee wrote:
-10 shouldn't be able to dock anywhere in high space

Why? The mega corporations who own those stations don't answer to Concord, so why should they give two ****s what you do to other immortal capsuleers? I could understand being denied docking based on your standing with the owning corporation, but not based on sec status.


why? mega corps even in the future would have reputation to consider. Haboring criminals would a good to destroy one's own reputation.

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Oh, that's funny. Even today large corporations are harborers of criminals. Google HSBC's relationship with the mexican drug cartels, or the Koch brothers shutting down a refinery because that'll let them avoid paying a couple million dollars to clean up the polution. What makes you think corporations even larger would care about what you think of them?

Edit: if you want, I can provide you dozens of other examples of corporations conducting criminal activity with little to no legam ramifications. If I expand the list to those outside the US, that list grows to hundreds.
Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-07-17 22:41:16 UTC
Rah McGee wrote:
-10 shouldn't be able to dock anywhere in high space


I'd tweak this to:
If your sec status is low enough that the cops chase you in a given system, you can't dock in that system (aiding and abetting).

"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Madd Adda
#12 - 2015-07-17 23:08:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Madd Adda
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Madd Adda wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Rah McGee wrote:
-10 shouldn't be able to dock anywhere in high space

Why? The mega corporations who own those stations don't answer to Concord, so why should they give two ****s what you do to other immortal capsuleers? I could understand being denied docking based on your standing with the owning corporation, but not based on sec status.


why? mega corps even in the future would have reputation to consider. Haboring criminals would a good to destroy one's own reputation.

Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

Oh, that's funny. Even today large corporations are harborers of criminals. Google HSBC's relationship with the mexican drug cartels, or the Koch brothers shutting down a refinery because that'll let them avoid paying a couple million dollars to clean up the polution. What makes you think corporations even larger would care about what you think of them?

Edit: if you want, I can provide you dozens of other examples of corporations conducting criminal activity with little to no legam ramifications. If I expand the list to those outside the US, that list grows to hundreds.


in that case, low sec status should incur a fine from them. After all, the corps are shielding them, they should get something out of it. lower the status is, the more money needed to pay. you can't pay, you can't dock.

Carebear extraordinaire
Naga Elohim
Aeras Krekan Syndicate
#13 - 2015-07-17 23:46:17 UTC
Simple solution...

Remove the ability to fit ships if your sec status is below a certain level.(According to existing sec-status rules) Just the same way gate/station guns will engage criminals when they undock/decloak, the station should deny them services.

It could keep with Eve lore and all that. To Concord, anyone assisting them is really harboring a criminal so naturally law-abiding authorities (Caldari Navy) would deny the fitting service.
Iain Cariaba
#14 - 2015-07-17 23:57:30 UTC
Naga Elohim wrote:
Simple solution...

Remove the ability to fit ships if your sec status is below a certain level.(According to existing sec-status rules) Just the same way gate/station guns will engage criminals when they undock/decloak, the station should deny them services.

It could keep with Eve lore and all that. To Concord, anyone assisting them is really harboring a criminal so naturally law-abiding authorities (Caldari Navy) would deny the fitting service.

Simpler solution...

Read the guides put out by the gankers themselves on how to avoid getting ganked, follow the guides, and never get ganked again.

There doesn't need to be some New mechanic or new punishment. You just need to fly smarter than you currently do. Apparently this is way too hard for some people, who insist that "just one more nerf" will fix where all the previous nerfs failed. Roll
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-07-18 00:22:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rah McGee
double post sorry
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-07-18 00:24:07 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:


There doesn't need to be some New mechanic or new punishment. You just need to fly smarter than you currently do. Apparently this is way too hard for some people, who insist that "just one more nerf" will fix where all the previous nerfs failed. Roll


I don't care, I just don't want to see red flashing sc.. docked at the same station.
Kenrailae
Scrapyard Artificer's
#17 - 2015-07-18 00:28:58 UTC
Amonios Zula wrote:
If anything Ganking should be made a little less punishing.
People are getting way too comfortable & entitled in Hisec.



Concord could disband.... faction police only. Though I do like the idea of a pod scanner to read implants.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2015-07-18 01:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Rah McGee wrote:
I don't care, I just don't want to see red flashing sc.. docked at the same station.

And I don't want to hear whining about something that is easily avoidable by using that small pea pinging around in your skull. Guess neither of us gets what we want.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Black Pedro
Mine.
#19 - 2015-07-18 05:06:25 UTC
Rah McGee wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:


There doesn't need to be some New mechanic or new punishment. You just need to fly smarter than you currently do. Apparently this is way too hard for some people, who insist that "just one more nerf" will fix where all the previous nerfs failed. Roll


I don't care, I just don't want to see red flashing sc.. docked at the same station.

If it bothers you so much just don't dock there or undock and move to another station. Seems a simpler solution than a draconian change that will dramatically affect a number of players other than gankers (like lowsec pirates), just because a flashing symbol bothers you.

This game isn't a solo game specially crafted so you can feel like you win all the time. It is a multiplayer sandbox where there is suppose to be a criminal element in highsec. I am afraid you will be more successful dealing with that using in-game methods rather than trying to metagame CCP into changing the rules to your favour on the forums.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-07-18 07:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rah McGee
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Rah McGee wrote:
I don't care, I just don't want to see red flashing sc.. docked at the same station.

And I don't want to hear whining about something that is easily avoidable by using that small pea pinging around in your skull. Guess neither of us gets what we want.


Again, It is illogical that criminals can dock at stations in high or even low, period. I don't care if something is 'easily' avoidable or not. Not ganking is easy too. Who is so stupid enough to do this shouldn't be able to dock anywhere. Period.
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