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Deaf and Fanfest 2015

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Diggle Dirker
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-03-21 09:23:43 UTC
You know attendance at Fanfest isn't required to enjoy the game, right? Big smile I've never been and have no intention of ever going. Sorry you feel let down though.

It's such a hideously amateurish event I'm surprised anyone even bothers to turn up. Watching the hosts on the stream yesterday sent my Cringe-O-Meter into meltdown.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2015-03-21 09:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Harek wrote:
First of all this is not a flame but my expression on how its going so far and in the perspective of seeing through the world via my eyes not my ears and how deeply it impacts me.

Its my first Fanfest and will be my last. Regardless of months on back and forth messages to try get a sign language interpreter for the 3 days there has failed.

Opening presentation, I can see this gentleman walking around making noises. Walked out knowing that the entire Fanfest is a let down. I cannot understand anyone. I can do the Eve Valkire just fine and look around at the Eve Store. Admire the tattoo and costume booths. How can I admire or even understand all the presentations and player-driven talks etc?

The three days is when I actually celebrate of being really left out as a silent outcast.

I was told that I was the first and only deaf person that is attending and its definite the last after my first day experience. The group meet ups few days beforehand at the pubs was a major let down as well. I can understand one-on-one but in a group table setting, all is lost. Cry

I have attended numerous variety of conventions and they all provided interpreter. I was actually felt part of the crowd and had the equal access on understanding. Communication is a major vital part of my life, especially visual.

Will still do the Eve VR daily, enjoy the beers, and get this over with and go home in disappointment. I lost my will and motivation to even log in and play after today's experience. Good bye Eve and CCP, you're a major letdown for the deaf.

Harek, I can barely understand the Icelandic accent anyway.

Even the non-Icelanders, CCP Mimic especially... there is no speech-to-text that could make sense of her. She's cute to watch her body language with the sound off.



About absorbing the presentation, what types of solutions have you seen, such as print-outs of each slide of a powerpoint, including the presenter's speech?
Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2015-03-21 11:01:12 UTC
Not defending CCP here but what do most people expect regarding the professionalism of FF streams? Yes sure, they're meh, but what you guys want, BBC and CNN employees or Bill Clinton doing the show there? Yes, even after so many years...I think FF is for people getting the chance to meet some of the guys that keep ensuring eve is dying since 2003 and meet corp mates and whatnot, but apparently people are expecting too much. Sure, the prices aren't cheap.

As for the sign language help. CCP must mention whether that is present or not before you purchase the tickets, it appears they did try and are still trying to come up with a solution so I hope it works out for you, but please remember that if something like this isn't written somewhere, it most likely won't happen.

As for CCP's communication regarding contacting them on behalf of Eve Fanfest tickets and sisters of eve spouse program, there I must agree, CCP were absolutely horrible. I wrote many months in advance regarding questions about that that were not mentioned, I contacted them 5x via their contact information, they never bothered to reply to me, not even once. Therefore, I decided not to go. I to this day do not understand why provide a contact form if people don't reply, might as well not provide it at all.
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Galactic Rangers
#44 - 2015-03-21 13:36:59 UTC
can't we have someone type what the presenter is saying live ?
many an FC has had to do this in fleet. it's not hard.
so seeing as the OP is able to read english the solution isn't that feckin hard now is it.
sit beside him and type on your laptop what the presenter is saying.
not a perfect solution but better than nothing.
it will even work both ways if the OP wants to ask a question.
diesel nuts
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2015-06-08 05:43:44 UTC
coming to this one late..

I am deaf too and can understand your frustration. Personally, I think you're nuts to have tried -- the accents and crowd noise would have killed me. Kudos for giving it a shot.

There are a lot of things CCP could do (or any event organizer), loop systems, CART, captioning, etc. it's frustrating to feel like the only guy in the room that can't understand, and I wish more people would take us into account.

Sorry you had the bad experience.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#46 - 2015-06-08 10:29:26 UTC
kes88 wrote:
maybe it's worth asking the community whether anyone would be able to sign what's being said?



Imagine asking....no....trusting somebody from EvE Online to translate for you.

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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2015-06-08 14:28:19 UTC
I'm not usually about drawing comparisons to other events but - do they have interpretors at Blizzcon? E3?
Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-06-08 14:44:39 UTC
+1 for the OP

I feel everyone should be able to enjoy this game and the events hosted by its community, no matter what disability they suffer from.

Best of luck to you. I hope you find someone capable of ASL and that you enjoy your stay in Iceland.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-06-09 10:21:37 UTC
Harek wrote:
First of all this is not a flame but my expression on how its going so far and in the perspective of seeing through the world via my eyes not my ears and how deeply it impacts me.

Its my first Fanfest and will be my last. Regardless of months on back and forth messages to try get a sign language interpreter for the 3 days there has failed.

Opening presentation, I can see this gentleman walking around making noises. Walked out knowing that the entire Fanfest is a let down. I cannot understand anyone. I can do the Eve Valkire just fine and look around at the Eve Store. Admire the tattoo and costume booths. How can I admire or even understand all the presentations and player-driven talks etc?

The three days is when I actually celebrate of being really left out as a silent outcast.

I was told that I was the first and only deaf person that is attending and its definite the last after my first day experience. The group meet ups few days beforehand at the pubs was a major let down as well. I can understand one-on-one but in a group table setting, all is lost. Cry

I have attended numerous variety of conventions and they all provided interpreter. I was actually felt part of the crowd and had the equal access on understanding. Communication is a major vital part of my life, especially visual.

Will still do the Eve VR daily, enjoy the beers, and get this over with and go home in disappointment. I lost my will and motivation to even log in and play after today's experience. Good bye Eve and CCP, you're a major letdown for the deaf.


Them feeeels :'(

If I get to FF next year I'll make sure to round up everyone who needs signing (though my American is crappy, as I use my native mostly - but then again something may be better than nothing).

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Master Kent'sslave
Veni Vidi Vici Inc
The Initiative.
#50 - 2015-06-09 14:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Master Kent'sslave
to the OP of this thread im sorry to hear.


We have a deaf person in corp, but we always make sure to have someone in fleet, typing out in capital letters in fleet with all the commands, and short summearies on whats going on on comms when we are just sitting around on a gate or something. has worked out nicly in corp and most guys are happy to help out that way.

But yes it is very unprofessional of ccp, after an ongoing conversation over time, to not be able to provide any assistance,...
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2015-06-09 14:12:56 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
It may have been communicated back to you poorly, but according to my information CCP did try to get you an interpreter locally.
To quote a note I got back from CCP on this matter: 'we contacted a few places over here, no dice.'

I am personally very glad some solution might be offered by the German sign interpreter (Thanks Libertina!) and I hope this will at least lead to you enjoying FanFest to the best of your ability.


Huh seriously? Pretty amateurish... Unless that town has 500 people...


You do realize this is Iceland we're talking about Lol If there are interpreters then they will be trained in Icelandic... not in English. And flying in a foreign interpreter who is specialized in English, no offence to OP, but that's not worth the cost or the effort for just one person.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#52 - 2015-06-09 20:02:46 UTC
Quote:
The first challenge for a viking child was to survive birth. If they were born sick or disabled, they were taken away and left outside to die.

Maybe this explains why they were not capable of taking care of deaf man, I would advise taking someone who can translate with you, or maybe CCP could provide a Cortana speach to text stream viewable in certain part of audience for those deaf people.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-06-10 06:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Steppa Musana wrote:
It's more difficult than people imagine finding an interpreter. Its also more expensive.


Just a thought on the cost of an interpreter. Now bear with me here as it might seem like a slight tangent.

1. We have voice to text
2. we have databases
3. we have 3D holograms that can talk, dance and sing.

Mesh these this things together and you could have a multilingual database interpreter that takes spoken word and has the 3D hologram doing signing in the language of the viewer.
Tellatubby
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-06-10 12:24:10 UTC
And this...Is exactly why I love Eve. The community banding together to fix a solution for other members of the community.

Kudos to you all :)
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-06-10 13:05:04 UTC
Man, that sucks. Hopefully CCP can be creative and maybe offer a free ticket / accommodation to EVE-loving interpreters next time.
Sevyn Chambernique
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#56 - 2015-07-17 07:19:34 UTC
As a hearing person I'm a full supporter of the deaf and hearing impaired community. 100% and all the way!

While I understand Iceland is a smaller county and probably lacks any ASL interpreters we should always, always try to find way to include everyone. There is something wrong we we dont try to do our best to include everyone in what's going on. Whether it's attending FF or playing EVE online.

I would love to see CSM and CCP work together and develop a blueprint on how we can make the game more accessible. I know it will not only benefit deaf players but hearing players who often have to turn the volume down at night because people are sleeping in the room (I've heard people mentioning this on coms several times already).

I've also taken a semester of ASL and it is based on American words. Some people think it's a universal sign language and it's not. I encourage everyone to take a class when possible. As an avid traveler I often do not speak a word of the native language and actually communicated with facial expressions and hand gestures. Something I picked up while trying to learn ASL. I remember asking for direction and not understand the person response but based on their hand gestures and turning their hand left, right, straight and listening for numbers I was able to find my way more than once. So there are useful application in learning ASL.

So I stand by you Harek and will fight with you and not give up as well. You have allies and were here to stay!
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#57 - 2015-07-17 11:33:27 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Proof that you can play Eve without sound apparently.

The player base proves time and time again that it can handle things well. Perhaps this thread can be a call out to anybody else going to FF who might volunteer to help. The entire "thing" about this game is player created content and outcomes.


I've been playing since 2004 with no sound, it works pretty well

@OP

Well that sucks to hear, i would have personally made my own arrangements, you could probably look in to doing something yourself for next fanfest and invite other hearing impaired players along as kind of a group thing, would really show CCP how its done, and who doesn't like doing things better than CCP can :P

That being said its a shame you felt it was such a let down, i hope you manage to sort something out for a future event, i remember my trip to fanfest was quite the blast, although i was more there to meet people than for the actual presentations, we hope to see you posting your success story next year :)
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#58 - 2015-07-17 13:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
ISD CharginMoose wrote:
From what I've been told there are around 24-27 sign linguests in Iceland. None of whichwhich are ASL fluent. As somesomeon else has said you then have the issue of people not being aware of eve terminology adding to the difficulty.

To have made things easier the large scripted talks would have been needed by the interpreter before hand to practice but also fully understand the talk.

But either way we are trying our best to help this individual. I just wanted to add a few facts to the discussion.


Could you get someone to fast-type the words on a screen as they are spoken? Might be an easier alternative ?

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2015-07-17 13:21:36 UTC
Cyborg Girl86 wrote:
+1 for the OP

I feel everyone should be able to enjoy this game and the events hosted by its community, no matter what disability they suffer from.


Yeah we should find a way to make the blinds enjoy EVE...
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#60 - 2015-07-17 14:09:17 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Even after 11 years, FF is a total amateur production. I watched the stream for a while, but had to stop. It's just too painful.

So, while I feel for your situation, I have to say that in researching it you should have known what to expect.

Mr Epeen Cool


Yer Fanfest has been going downhill for years,
I only go because its an official PL meetup thing and most of the PL people only use harpa as a wifi hub and don't even bother going to any of the roundtables and only go to the main things in the main hall so we can put the PL flags up and shout JEFF RADER when they play the "This is eve" vid