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Bobaa Fett
Blood-Reaver
#41 - 2015-07-15 23:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobaa Fett
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Ramshack Z
Maeda-Koru Group
#42 - 2015-07-15 23:52:44 UTC
Bobaa Fett wrote:
You can get killmails with 100 people on them, great. Then you fly solo and get popped, you essentially learned nothing from listening to an FC yell primary and hitting F1. That doesn't teach you how to pvp or fly your ships well.


These are apples and oranges. Fleet commanders think small gang aficionados are laughable non-entities. Small gang and solo gurus think large fleets are full of brain-dead F1 critters. Both are true and false, depending on your perspective and there's no right answer to which one fits except the choice that a given player prefers.

As a neutral party in the debate, i'll simply say this much. After 3 weeks it's definitely possible for solo kills to be happening if a newbie really wants to learn and sutonia proves this regularly in his eveiseasy videos. Having said that, there is a non-trivial amount of jargon and general wisdom to be had, starting day1, hour1, if you x up for a fleet. So even if that doesn't turn out to be one's cup o' tea, it's worth the experience none the less.
Bobaa Fett
Blood-Reaver
#43 - 2015-07-15 23:54:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobaa Fett
Yeah I guess it is apples and oranges.
Bobaa Fett
Blood-Reaver
#44 - 2015-07-16 00:16:54 UTC
Ramshack Z wrote:
Bobaa Fett wrote:
You can get killmails with 100 people on them, great. Then you fly solo and get popped, you essentially learned nothing from listening to an FC yell primary and hitting F1. That doesn't teach you how to pvp or fly your ships well.


These are apples and oranges. Fleet commanders think small gang aficionados are laughable non-entities. Small gang and solo gurus think large fleets are full of brain-dead F1 critters. Both are true and false, depending on your perspective and there's no right answer to which one fits except the choice that a given player prefers.

As a neutral party in the debate, i'll simply say this much. After 3 weeks it's definitely possible for solo kills to be happening if a newbie really wants to learn and sutonia proves this regularly in his eveiseasy videos. Having said that, there is a non-trivial amount of jargon and general wisdom to be had, starting day1, hour1, if you x up for a fleet. So even if that doesn't turn out to be one's cup o' tea, it's worth the experience none the less.


Oh definitely, it's more fun to hop right into something, and you do get some experience from it - but In terms of efficiency, there might be something to be desired. I'll be honest, there's times where I'd like to be in huge fleets, they can be quite fun.

The thing about those streams: A lot of the streamers who demonstrate minimal SP use for pvp already know what ships have which capabilities, thus they know what to engage and what not to engage. A new player won't have that right off the bat, and more likely than not, will get destroyed with the same ship and fit as in the videos. In either case, a pilot should want to maximize his effectiveness in whatever hull he/she wants to hop into and should work on it until it's optimal before spreading SP out further into other hulls, that way they can get the most out of their ship and still have something to do, effectively, while they train something else up.

The one stream I used to love watching was Will Adama, especially in his Ishtar. A lot of streamers...don't quite know how they get so many views. I don't pretend to be an EvE pvp guru, I've only been flying pvp since January, but I had a lot of SP already lined up from before and can hop into almost any hull with proper SP. It makes things real easy. I'm still learning but not doing too badly for the lack of experience.

The Board of Education I come from a small-gang lowsec pvp group that chooses to stay outside any alliance. We might have 5 players on at a given time, so engagements aren't as numerous as an alliance-corp, but we get up there.

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