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Stuck whilst considering what to do in the short term.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-07-15 18:49:23 UTC
Reread your post ... you stated "combat" is your goal. Most EvE players refer to combat meaning Player vs. Player combat. Shooting NPCs for ISK, standing or goodies is done for income and rarly for fun, because it becomes tedious and repetitive fast.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-07-15 18:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
You are too worried about faction standings. If you want to mission for the angels you can always start lvl1 missions regardless of faction or even corp standings. I suggest that you just go out there right now. There is a market to buy skill books, ships, whatever you need. Find a corp that is in the area, apply to join, ask if anyone in the corp will let you tag along on thier lvl4 missions to help grind your standings up.

Edit: What I meant by faction/corp standings is... go ahead and kill all the rats you want. The angel faction will hate you. Start doing missions for the angel cartel and the corp that you are missioning for will love you even if you have done a bunch of ratting.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-07-15 18:55:03 UTC
get some basic scanning skills, head into wormholes and do data/relic sites

or low sec and steal abandoned drones
Avvy
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-07-15 18:55:26 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
It sounds like your goals are mostly based on lore/character development rather than interaction with other players. Which is a fine place to start, but I suspect they will change over time as you spend more time around friendly/hostile players. As stated above, NPC null is really about what players are doing to each other, not which npcs "own" the space.

To answer your question, it should be pretty easy to do combat PVE without upsetting Angels too much. Just reject missions that set you against Angels. You can also run combat exploration sites (green sites and scannable DED sites). These sites will be set against a specific enemy (drones, serpentis, guristas, angles....etc etc), so just avoid the angel ones. Combat exploration is actually one of the most lucrative things to do in high sec.

Just in case you didn't know, you don't need to have any standing with Angels to train for or fly their ships. Capsuleers transcend the petty squabbles of the factions and fly what we please. If you have other lore/roleplaying reasons that's fine, but from a mechanics veiwpoint it isn't necessary.



Hi,

My goals are based around lore/character development as it is a good starting point especially if you don't know anyone yet who plays this game.



I don't think I'll be able to answer all of the responses, but I do thank people for their advice and helpful information, it certainly gives me more to think about in a positive way.
Avvy
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-07-15 19:00:29 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Reread your post ... you stated "combat" is your goal. Most EvE players refer to combat meaning Player vs. Player combat. Shooting NPCs for ISK, standing or goodies is done for income and rarly for fun, because it becomes tedious and repetitive fast.



Hi,

The goal is PvP as well as working for the Angel Cartel.
Vila eNorvic
#26 - 2015-07-15 19:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Vila eNorvic
Avvy wrote:
Ramshack Z wrote:
Most corps give them away. Alternatively, jump clone between a skill book laden high station and your null home station.

I did look at jump clones, but I didn't have enough standing.

No need for standing: EACS
Avvy
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-07-15 19:33:28 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Ramshack Z wrote:
Most corps give them away. Alternatively, jump clone between a skill book laden high station and your null home station.

I did look at jump clones, but I didn't have enough standing.

No need for standing: EACS



Thanks for the link.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2015-07-15 20:38:21 UTC
This is a game about consequences and choices. If you don't want to accept any consequences then this probably is not the game for you.

If you do missions for Caldari then Gallente won't like you. If you shoot Angels then the Angels won't like you. If you are not interested in anything: mining, trade, industrial or exploration based then you've eliminated pretty much everything but espionage and combat. Any PvE combat that you do will have consequences to other factions. So either strictly do PvP or forget about your OCD standing hang up or pick another game.

You never completely screw yourself in this game. Standings can be repaired. There are pirate epic arcs that you can do. Also level 1 missions are always open to you. The only reason that pirate faction standings matter is if you plan on missioning for them and even if you totally frac up your standing with a faction you can always do level 1 missions until you get north of -2.0 standing with them. Once your faction standing is over -2.0 then your corp standing takes over and by that time you should be able to run level 3's probably at least if not level 4s. Also keep in mind that faction standing increases are based on a percentage of your distance from perfect which is 10 so if you are -10 with a faction one storyline mission will make a huge difference.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-07-15 20:57:39 UTC
Avvy wrote:


I shall definitely need to do more research.

It sounds to me like you've done too much research already. You can only know a thing through experience not research. Research can be a good tool to help facilitate gaining knowledge through experience and help you make the most out of your missteps however it can't do it for you. At some point you will just have to jump in.

I recommend that you try out many different aspects of Eve including ones that you don't think that you will like. Don't worry about wasting skill points, in the grand scheme of things you'll wind up needing to train most of it anyway and many skills cross over. Also training something up to level 3 does not take much time at all. In the process of trying different things out you will:
-learn the game
-learn about yourself and develop your own personal playstyle
-gain a lot of useful experience
-gain skill points which you will use down the road regardless of what path you take in the short term.

This game is much much much more about player knowledge than it is skill points. The personal skills that you gain from trying varied aspects of the game will get you a thousand times further than just focusing into one thing at the expense of everything else.

I once created an alt to do exactly what you are talking about doing here in this thread. I think it was a good idea to train an alt specifically for running pirate missions in null. However I did that on an alt for a reason. Beelining your main into one thing is an unsub waiting to happen.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Avvy
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-07-15 21:11:59 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
This is a game about consequences and choices. If you don't want to accept any consequences then this probably is not the game for you.

If you do missions for Caldari then Gallente won't like you. If you shoot Angels then the Angels won't like you. If you are not interested in anything: mining, trade, industrial or exploration based then you've eliminated pretty much everything but espionage and combat. Any PvE combat that you do will have consequences to other factions. So either strictly do PvP or forget about your OCD standing hang up or pick another game.

You never completely screw yourself in this game. Standings can be repaired. There are pirate epic arcs that you can do. Also level 1 missions are always open to you. The only reason that pirate faction standings matter is if you plan on missioning for them and even if you totally frac up your standing with a faction you can always do level 1 missions until you get north of -2.0 standing with them. Once your faction standing is over -2.0 then your corp standing takes over and by that time you should be able to run level 3's probably at least if not level 4s. Also keep in mind that faction standing increases are based on a percentage of your distance from perfect which is 10 so if you are -10 with a faction one storyline mission will make a huge difference.



Hi,

Just looked at a article on a website '10 signs you may have OCD'. result negative on all 10 signs so I think we can safely rule out OCD.

I know the game has consequences resulting from your actions. As for if its a game for me, well I subbed for 6 months so almost 7 with the trial time so I've plenty of time to find out.

Your last paragraph however is very informative so I thank you for that.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-07-15 21:38:25 UTC
I know that I am not gay because my boyfriend says that I kiss like a strait guy.


Avvy wrote:

Just looked at a article on a website '10 signs you may have OCD'. result negative on all 10 signs so I think we can safely rule out OCD.

When I made the OCD comment it was intended as a hyperbole but your having taken exception to it makes me wonder now.

You seem obsessed with maintaining virgin standings with the Angel Cartel and compelled to not engage in nearly all in game activities as a result of said obsession regardless of the lack of any logical reason for doing so.

Hyperbole or not aside my main point remains that this is a game. Play it to have fun and don't worry too much about silly little stuff.

Also note that you started this thread off not so much just asking for advice as you were just digging your heals in and attesting to what you would not do and offering little reason for justification. Had you said something more like " I want to run missions for angel cartel down the road, what happens if I get bad standing with them now running missions or belt ratting in high sec and what options are open to me that don't prevent or make that overly difficult to do in the future" my response would have been different.

When you start off rigidly attached to a very specific thing in this sandbox of a game that you know nearly nothing about, my decision on how best to help you is going to be most focused on helping you loosen up and broaden your perspective a bit.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Avvy
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-07-15 22:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
ergherhdfgh wrote:
I know that I am not gay because my boyfriend says that I kiss like a strait guy.


Avvy wrote:

Just looked at a article on a website '10 signs you may have OCD'. result negative on all 10 signs so I think we can safely rule out OCD.

When I made the OCD comment it was intended as a hyperbole but your having taken exception to it makes me wonder now.

You seem obsessed with maintaining virgin standings with the Angel Cartel and compelled to not engage in nearly all in game activities as a result of said obsession regardless of the lack of any logical reason for doing so.

Hyperbole or not aside my main point remains that this is a game. Play it to have fun and don't worry too much about silly little stuff.

Also note that you started this thread off not so much just asking for advice as you were just digging your heals in and attesting to what you would not do and offering little reason for justification. Had you said something more like " I want to run missions for angel cartel down the road, what happens if I get bad standing with them now running missions or belt ratting in high sec and what options are open to me that don't prevent or make that overly difficult to do in the future" my response would have been different.

When you start off rigidly attached to a very specific thing in this sandbox of a game that you know nearly nothing about, my decision on how best to help you is going to be most focused on helping you loosen up and broaden your perspective a bit.


Your OCD comment didn't worry me, its a subject that although I'd heard about, I'd not taken much interest in it before. So I decided it was time to find out more.

Its not an obsession, more of an aspect that'll help define the character as a character.

I've tried most of those other professions whilst doing the career missions enough to know which activity I like the most. I realise those missions were done with basic skills.

Mining, seems to be a semi afk activity. Start lasers and wait until the hold is full. I don't play MMOs to be semi-afk.

Exploring, doesn't seem like fun to me, scanning seems easy to do and not sure what to call unlocking the containers, mini games I guess just doesn't seem fun to me.

Manufacturing, doubt I could be competitive especially as I wouldn't be mining.

Research, unless you are going to make something why bother.

Trading, just not my thing.

Hauling, pick up from one station 10 jumps drop it off at another station, not really what I want to do and doesn't really fit in with the character.

I'm sure a lot of players do like those professions but they're just not me or what I have in mind for the character. If I was trying to play the game and do other stuff at the same time then mining would be ideal, but I'm not.



Edit:

There was nothing wrong with the opening post, I'd already decided what the exclusions were. The problem was because I'd excluded so much I was unsure how to proceed in the short term mainly because I was unsure of how some of the aspects of the game work.

But the helpful replies in this thread including parts of yours have given me the information I required to move forward.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-07-16 07:54:56 UTC
Choose your path, it's your game. Big smile There is no wrong way, but keep yourself open to change the path if you get stuck.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#34 - 2015-07-16 08:51:38 UTC
curse is a very populated area, but if you plan on moving there then no reason why you need to stay in highsec, depending on how old or experienced you are, i started in faction warfare to get the hang of pvp then moved to a Serpentis loyalist corp in nullsec very young, good idea would be to focus on getting into an interceptor.

once you get the hang of flying a ship there is no reason why you cant move to curse and get your Cartel and Serpentis standings up, curse is quite rough due to the pirate agents but being a bit more aware will help you out, there is a few corps who are loyalist corps which you might enjoy if you are into the rp side of things.

Lan

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-07-16 17:58:13 UTC
Jump into the OOC player channel in-game. I know for a fact there is some roleplay Angel cartel pirate corporations in there. Just join in and talk to them and tell them what you are planning on doing.

I think one is Stillwater. Not sure my memory is correct, but I believe that is one.

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Cellini Benvenuto
Ephemeral Syzygy
#36 - 2015-07-16 18:15:15 UTC
Quote:
Exploring, doesn't seem like fun to me, scanning seems easy to do and not sure what to call unlocking the containers, mini games I guess just doesn't seem fun to me.


I started out the same way: exploration seemed like the least fun activity. An older player (Cara Forelli) suggested that I might change my mind. She was quite right.

When it comes to exploration, I still don't find hacking sites any fun. However, there is also combat exploration. And when done in low sec, it is, in my opinion, a great activity for a solo player (like me - without alts and everything) as it provides a bit of everything: isk, pvp, never-knowing what you'll find, and learning a bit more about your ship. You can go for days without getting anything worthwhile, and make 150M in a single site. Of course, that's merely my way of having fun when I have the time. I would suggest giving exploration and other activities a go, and see what helps you learn the game plus have fun at the same time.

PS: there is also FW, which can be a bit of fun, but all the off-grid boosts/gangs make it just a bit less so if you play completely solo like me. On the other hand, if you don't play solo and join small gangs/fleets, I imagine it can be much more fun.
Avvy
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-07-17 15:26:56 UTC
@ Lan Wang

Took your advice training for an interceptor although I'm also training for a Dramiel training plan mainly working from the level 3 certs. Most of the skills that I require are the same for both ships.


@ Cyber SGB

Took a look at Stillwater they are an Angel Cartel RP corp. although they appear to be in low-sec rather than 0.0. They also require a 10 million sp entry.

Been noticing quite a few other corps. which required sp, quite a few seem to have settled for amount of 5 million sp.

So obviously those type of corps don't really see much use for new players.

I've only got 300k sp at the moment so brushed the cobwebs off of Skyrim, so I'll split my time between both games and probably kick around in the Dramiel in high-sec for awhile whilst building up the sp.


@ Cellini Benveriuto

Whilst I'm kicking about in high-sec I might try1 or 2 of those combat sites, although I won't fire on Angels unless I have no choice.

As for faction wars, if it was pirates verses the other factions then yeah that could be good, but I don't think that's the case.

I can see why you say what you say about off-grid support. Just wonder if it's noticeable that they are receiving off-grid support when they are.


Anyway thanks for the replies.

Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#38 - 2015-07-17 15:36:28 UTC
Stillwater are a good bunch of guys i spent some time in that corp, Leo is very knowledgable and he will tell you alot about the Cartel if you jump into the public channel, you also have Coreli but they are Serpentis, but serpentis are close with the cartel and also based out of curse.

300k sp is pretty low, one thing i would suggest is to get into lowsec asap and start learning to pvp maybe through faction warfare, this will give you some good experience. maybe avoid the dramiel for pvp as its pretty expensive unless you have the isk to burn

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Alleja DeSan-na
Trinity Collective Co.
DammFam
#39 - 2015-07-17 16:17:08 UTC
Avvy wrote:
based around lore/character development as it is a good starting point especially if you don't know anyone yet who plays this game.


If you like the lore you should take a look at this website:
Eve Travel

It's full of informations, things to do (and to see) and maintain a deep section on the lore of EVE.
Take a look too to the linked websites that you can find there.

Look for RP based Corp in game too, there are some of them.

Welcome in EVE
Cellini Benvenuto
Ephemeral Syzygy
#40 - 2015-07-17 16:30:00 UTC
You don't have to fire on Angels, Avvy! Fire on Guristas, Serpentis, Blood Raiders, Sansha, Drones. I'm a bit into the RP part too (all Amarr), so I get that part. But there are quite a few pirate factions, and one thing I know about pirates - they hate other pirates as much as they hate the authorities (or so say all those books about pirates I used to read!)
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