EVE General Discussion

Don't cry only because you are not on that list. Also nice spin on the "throwaway alt"-myth.

Why not? The top three of Gevlon Goblin's list are all elite solo PvPers who prey on "targets who can't shoot back": an accomplished pod hunter, a freighter-specialist wardeccer, and a suicide ganker who happens to also be the CEO of the most damage-dealing corporation in all of Eve. I have no idea where you get this naive idea that these kill don't count because they don't fit into whatever definition of PvP your mind has constructed to help you deal with your own under-performance.

The good Goblin has "dewhored" in his words the killboards and revealed the sad truth: most supposed elite PvPers are just terrible, their killboards inflated by sharing the kills of their fleets but not sharing losses. What makes a player elite is not whoring on a titan kill in a rookie ship and then spending the rest of the year in a station so their killboard is 99.99% efficient, but it is going out day-after-day defeating other players in a contest of wills, blowing their ships up and affecting their game play. Don't tell me you do not suffer a loss because your freighter "couldn't shoot back" or that it doesn't matter that you lost a 4B ISK pod to an opponent because it can't fit a laser because it does matter. In fact, they are greater victories as they usually affect your opponent more than losing a throwaway T1 frigate the pilot had already written off when they started a roam.

Ima Wreckyou is correct: new players can be highly effective in this game if they want to be. There are many ways to defeat your opponent, and often the most successful ones involve shooting them when they are in stuff that can't shoot back. Don't let those infected with this eBushido virus that seems all too prevalent in this player base brainwash you into thinking that those kills don't count - they affect the other player and the overall universe just as much, or more, than a fair duel at the sun.

It's only as hard as the opponents make it, surely.

Forum alts! Throw-away alts! They're everywhere!

Quit jumping at your own shadow friend - everything isn't a giant conspiracy. There are people out there who play the game differently from the honourable space-samurai simulator you seem to view Eve as.

By "normal" PvP I mean PvP in which both sides are actually ready and able to fight. If you can't tell the difference between blowing up a mining barge and the alliance tournament for example then there's no hope for you.

They most certainly do not have the mechanics stacked in their favour since they're predictable mechanics which you will have already accounted for before you engage. All they give you is a time limit, nothing more.

It's quite obvious your being deliberately obtuse here. Anyone with an ounce of sense can tell the difference between the carebear PvP you choose to focus on and players who are legitimately good in combat. The part I find most amusing is you think your different from the carebears you insult so much, yet you're exactly the same. You want easy kills and any suggestion of CCP adding anything to make that challenging pushes you into unfathomable rage. Personally I like games to challenge me, but I guess that's not for everyone.

No problem with that but lets be honest: CODE and their butt buddies are nothing more than 0.0 clowns who are so scared/**** that they have to be part of a massive coalition to hide behind and blue everyone on the server just so they can grind peace, and then (obviously) start getting bored because "there's no one to fight" (no ****, you're part of a group who blued everyone). So they make alts (like yours) to pvp with but because they're still scared/**** they thus choose to then attack people whom they know can't attack back. Still terrible, still bad. You're one of them.

That's all fine, if you enjoy it go for it, but don't for one second think that it's not obvious. There's no point in lying about it, not even to yourself. All you can really do is itrollu.jpg and as always it's terrible.

Beating the best makes you an elite PvPer. Fighting up against seemingly insurmountable odds and yet winning makes you an elite PvPer. Farming noobs does not. Like I say, there's nothing wrong with choosing that style of play, but claiming it's any more elite than a PvE carebear is just plain wrong. You opt to avoid a challenge which gives you a much bigger return and you whine when suggestions are put in place to add challenge to your playstyle. That does not make you elite. It makes you a carebear.

Versus - working in opposition to one another.

In other words, two parties working directly against each other. PVP is not the same as PNP (Predator and Prey) and that is why we look down our noses at them.

Of course it is. One player is playing the predator, and one is taking the role of the prey. These two players have opposing goals and winning conditions, and they battle it out in the game universe.

It is the very definition of player vs. player.

More importantly, this type of game play is specifically enabled by CCP. Suicide ganking is in the game on purpose. Baiting, tricking, surprising, blobbing, camping and so forth are enabled and even encouraged by CCP by a whole host of game mechanics and modules they have added to the game.

No wonder you seem so unhappy all the time - you are not playing the game you think, or at least want, to be playing.

Yup.
CCP serves up victims on a silver platter and people get all smug about how many hot dogs they can shove down their throats.