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Newish player looking on advice blitzing L3

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Pal Vandrefalk
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-07-14 09:49:11 UTC
Hey all,

I have decided to start blitzing L3, but I have a few questions first:

1. LP/Isk conversion. I get this is main source of blitzing income, but my current corp (Fed Navy) has horrible conversion rate. I get it right, that best LP/Isk conversion at the moment is Caldari Navy and maybe also Imperial Navy? (quite important as my standings towards them are near negative, with Diplomacy trained)

2. Does individual agent have a roaster of missions or it is purely random? Several agents never gave me a mission, further than 1 jump away, while other can send me 3-4 jumps away.

3. And of course fit check. At current I fly this Myrmidon:


2x Drone Damage Amplifier II

2x Medium Armor Repair II

2x Rat Specific Hardener I


1x 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

4x Cap Recharger II


4x 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun Antimatter M

1x Drone Link Augmenter I


2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

1x Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump


5x Hobgoblin I

5x Hammerhead I

4x Garde I

5x Salvage Drone

I am currently training for T2 armor hardeners and drones, but I can also get T2 shield tank in a couple of days, if needed to crosstrain. Gunnery support skills is somewhat decent, while missiles skills are non-existent. Oh, and my budget for a blitzing ship, if needed is 100-150 million ISK.

4. Anything else important for blitzing a noob might forget?

Thanks for help in advance
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-07-14 11:45:16 UTC
Go run the SOE epic arc in a thorax or something, then run level 3's for SOE. The LP conversion there is far better and more consistent than anything the rest of Empire has to offer.

Myrm is not the best choice. Can you fly a Brutix? Proteus? Vigilant? Tengu? Ishtar? anything other than a Myrm?


And my general advice to blitzing missions is... do them fast. Lol

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Pal Vandrefalk
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-07-14 11:50:03 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Go run the SOE epic arc in a thorax or something, then run level 3's for SOE. The LP conversion there is far better and more consistent than anything the rest of Empire has to offer.

Myrm is not the best choice. Can you fly a Brutix? Proteus? Vigilant? Tengu? Ishtar? anything other than a Myrm?


And my general advice to blitzing missions is... do them fast. Lol


Oh, good. My SOE standing is 2.5, it will take just a few hours. What's worth taking from their LP shop? And from that list or ships - only Brutix so far, maybe Navy Brutix, after day or two of missioning.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-07-14 11:53:17 UTC
Pal Vandrefalk wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Go run the SOE epic arc in a thorax or something, then run level 3's for SOE. The LP conversion there is far better and more consistent than anything the rest of Empire has to offer.

Myrm is not the best choice. Can you fly a Brutix? Proteus? Vigilant? Tengu? Ishtar? anything other than a Myrm?


And my general advice to blitzing missions is... do them fast. Lol


Oh, good. My SOE standing is 2.5, it will take just a few hours. What's worth taking from their LP shop? And from that list or ships - only Brutix so far, maybe Navy Brutix, after day or two of missioning.



Honestly my Gallente only alt uses a Vigilant with rails... I know I know. But the name of the game here is fast warp speeds to get to your missions and get back to your agent, along with long range damage projection.

We don't want to rely on drones for primary damage because they are delayed damage, and we don't really want to use a BC because they warp slow. But a triple warp speed rig Brutix can put out 500+ dps at range and get you to your mission in reasonable time.

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#5 - 2015-07-14 12:30:17 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Proteus? Vigilant? Tengu? Ishtar? anything other than a Myrm?



The thread is named "Newish player". Still advise T3 ships?

King of L3 blitz is Machariel. But it will take long way to be able to fit and fly one.

Myrm is OK for L3. But since you are new, I doubt you have racial battle cruiser skill at 5. So why not use Gnosis? It is the "newish player" ship after all... You get ability to fit medium micro jump drive (aka GTFO button if triggers went wrong), you have all bonuses as if you have racial BC hull at 5...

Federation Customs and similar has better LP/ISK ratio. Roden Shipyards and similar even better. Best are SoE or some other non-gallente corps in gallentian space.

Use factional drones untill you can use T2 drones. Drop second armor repairer (you have hull bonus) and put Drone damage amplifier instead of it.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2015-07-14 14:36:40 UTC
Remember "blitz" is about getting through a mission as quickly as possible, killing, destroying and looting only those thing you must to complete the mission and ignoring everything else. Another way to put this is speed is everything in blitzing and anything that slows you down is costing you ISK. The major portion of the ISK in a blitz comes from using LP and some ISK to buy stuff from the LP stores and then selling it on the markets, your mission payouts and bonuses. Fooling around with the loot and salvage from the destroyed ships only slows you down and that cost you more ISK than you can make with this stuff.

So here are my thoughts since the others have covered the ship and fitting aspect pretty well.

There are no missions that I am aware of that require the use of salvage drones to complete so drop the salvage drones and the Garde they are only slowing you down.

Salvage drones because you have to waste time in the pocket while they do their thing instead of moving on to the next pocket / mission. If you have them out instead of combat drones then you are slowing yourself down because drones are the Myrm's major damage dealers.

Garde because they are sentry drones. Even at max skills you will get more damage from a squad of mediums than you will from the few sentry drones you can use, and sentry drones waste time because they are stationary in space once launched. This means you have to stay where they are or go back and get them either of these wastes time.

Replace the Garde with extra light and mediums in case you lose one in a mission. Or armor repair bots so you can repair your drones in space if needed.

You need this or a site similar to it so you know what you must do to "blitz" each mission.
It will help with tank and gank choices as well.
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=missionreports

Overall I do not recommend you undertake a blitz mission style until you can fly a full tech 2 fit and here is why.

Tank - blitzing a mission and tanking the damage that is a part of that can be difficult for a T1 fit BC in many level 3's, in some it is nearly impossible if you have to little tank then you must warp in / out or kill enough to allow you to stay in the pocket and that slows you down.

Gank - T1 drones have the lowest DPS and that slows you down. True faction drones can overcome much of that but they can be expensive to buy so they may not be an option.

Last thought.
While you finish your training for a full T2 fit I would suggest that you adopt a full clear with loot / salvage play style. With a T1 fit and low support skills this can and often does make more ISK than trying to blitz missions.

Even better yet is a combination approach. Even now there will be some missions you can easily blitz so do that. Those that you cannot easily blitz use the full clear loot / salvage option.
Pal Vandrefalk
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-07-14 14:54:59 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Proteus? Vigilant? Tengu? Ishtar? anything other than a Myrm?



The thread is named "Newish player". Still advise T3 ships?

King of L3 blitz is Machariel. But it will take long way to be able to fit and fly one.

Myrm is OK for L3. But since you are new, I doubt you have racial battle cruiser skill at 5. So why not use Gnosis? It is the "newish player" ship after all... You get ability to fit medium micro jump drive (aka GTFO button if triggers went wrong), you have all bonuses as if you have racial BC hull at 5...

Federation Customs and similar has better LP/ISK ratio. Roden Shipyards and similar even better. Best are SoE or some other non-gallente corps in gallentian space.

Use factional drones untill you can use T2 drones. Drop second armor repairer (you have hull bonus) and put Drone damage amplifier instead of it.


Thanks. Well, I did got the Gnosis and fitted it with shield tank, hybrids and DDAs. It outdamages Myrm at my skills, and tank is slightly worse than Myrm (That said I can fill all T2 shield tank in 3-4 days). Good ship and maybe I will find a use for that scanning bonus while getting SOE Rep/ waiting for T2.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-07-14 15:50:51 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Proteus? Vigilant? Tengu? Ishtar? anything other than a Myrm?



The thread is named "Newish player". Still advise T3 ships?

King of L3 blitz is Machariel. But it will take long way to be able to fit and fly one.

Myrm is OK for L3. But since you are new, I doubt you have racial battle cruiser skill at 5. So why not use Gnosis? It is the "newish player" ship after all... You get ability to fit medium micro jump drive (aka GTFO button if triggers went wrong), you have all bonuses as if you have racial BC hull at 5...

Federation Customs and similar has better LP/ISK ratio. Roden Shipyards and similar even better. Best are SoE or some other non-gallente corps in gallentian space.

Use factional drones untill you can use T2 drones. Drop second armor repairer (you have hull bonus) and put Drone damage amplifier instead of it.



Yeah it takes less than 6 months to train a racial path for T2 fit Proteus/Deimos/Vigi

6 months is what I consider Newish.

Blitz is about DPS and speed, warp speed. Proteus has insane warp speed and great dps. T2 Cruisers would give you decent speed and again, DPS.

Gnosis, sure its ok, but for level 3's you need... you guessed it, speed and dps.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2015-07-14 15:57:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Brutix->Demios->Proteus (Rail Tengu is a bit better but Prot is a natural progression)

Projection is almost as important as DPS and warp speed.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=427956

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#10 - 2015-07-14 18:36:25 UTC
Wasn't this answered in detail in another thread?
Orlacc
#11 - 2015-07-14 18:41:16 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Wasn't this answered in detail in another thread?


Or a hundred.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2015-07-14 18:52:14 UTC
I do level 3 missions in a Blaster Harpy assault frigate.

I found a battlecruiser to be too slow, and less engaging.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-07-14 19:04:37 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I do level 3 missions in a Blaster Harpy assault frigate.

I found a battlecruiser to be too slow, and less engaging.


Well you CAN do lvl3's in a ceptor if you really wanted to. I just wouldn't recommend it.

P Llyod is 100% correct, and the link to the pertinent information is all you need.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2015-07-14 20:08:38 UTC
imo find a corp that sells federation navy stasis webifier 5 run blueprints. they have a few other bpcs that are probably worth looking into as well, although the volume on those might not be so favorable. All the Navy stores have the same items as the FW stores, so their conversion rates are all pretty bad. The only reason I can think of for running for a navy corp is caldari navy as that gives standings for trading in jita.

the other consideration is you want an agent in a 0.5 system in a constellation that doesn't have any lowsec systems. I haven't done lv3s in a while so I'm not too sure how far they try to send you, but I'd be wary of the soe lv3 agent as it is in a constellation of mostly lowsec systems. maybe it works out and you can decline the lowsec missions and not worry about it, but I'd look for something else. Plus SoE is heavily farmed.

also sentry drones are fine. for most lv3s you want to warp in, blap a few things, then warp out. sentry drones are perfect for that. the biggest problem with the myrm, is that it doesn't have room for multiple sets of sentries. in some missions it is nice to have long range drones available. I would also suggest getting faction sentry drones. cost a bit more, but have good performance and you probably shouldn't be losing them.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Paranoid Loyd
#15 - 2015-07-14 20:15:34 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
but I'd be wary of the soe lv3 agent as it is in a constellation of mostly lowsec systems.

I have an alt running over there, if all you are going to do is grind missions all day long it might be a problem, but IME, I am ready to do something else before a second mission comes up in the queue that sends you to low sec. Once you get your standings high enough it doesn't really matter either way.

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
also sentry drones are fine. for most lv3s you want to warp in, blap a few things, then warp out.
I wouldn't go as far as to say most. There are quite a few, but there are also many where you need to go to a second or third room. Sitting in one place while you clear the room and then moving to the gate is very inefficient if you are trying to blitz.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2015-07-14 20:51:58 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
but I'd be wary of the soe lv3 agent as it is in a constellation of mostly lowsec systems.

I have an alt running over there, if all you are going to do is grind missions all day long it might be a problem, but IME, I am ready to do something else before a second mission comes up in the queue that sends you to low sec. Once you get your standings high enough it doesn't really matter either way.

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
also sentry drones are fine. for most lv3s you want to warp in, blap a few things, then warp out.
I wouldn't go as far as to say most. There are quite a few, but there are also many where you need to go to a second or third room. Sitting in one place while you clear the room and then moving to the gate is very inefficient if you are trying to blitz.


fair enough, and in that case if you are running missions all day your standing gains should vastly outstrip any losses due to additional declines. Plus all the SoE storyline agents are in corp so that should also help protect your standings.

in most of those cases you can drop lights/meds and MWD over to the gate. not one of those things I'd be too worried about when starting out, but when you get your skills up something to be aware of for sure, and by that point probably worth switching to something other than a myrm.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-07-14 22:35:37 UTC
myrm is good at blitzing if you cna use sentries. Otherwise something with longer range guns like the ferox usually win out on this kind of thing since level 3s are more about killing things as quickly as possible rather than pushing DPS or tanking incoming damage
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-07-15 07:52:06 UTC
if your main focus is going to be isk/hour
L3's are not where it's at.

you really need L4's

take some time, do a little focused training (for a L4 blitzer)
then go nuts on your wallet padding

have some fun in the meantime
work later
Pal Vandrefalk
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-07-15 10:52:56 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
if your main focus is going to be isk/hour
L3's are not where it's at.

you really need L4's

take some time, do a little focused training (for a L4 blitzer)
then go nuts on your wallet padding

have some fun in the meantime
work later


Or in another words - get started on Mach/Rail Tengu skill set? Or MJD Sentry Domi is half decent? (Maybe Ishtar, but I don't know how to fit it half-decently after recent slot layout change).
Etara Silverblade
Morex Group Inc.
Haven.
#20 - 2015-07-15 12:06:45 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
if your main focus is going to be isk/hour
L3's are not where it's at.

you really need L4's

take some time, do a little focused training (for a L4 blitzer)
then go nuts on your wallet padding

have some fun in the meantime
work later


i'm not sure you're right about this. L3's can be run much faster then L4s and L4s don't give enough LP to make them worth it. If you are blitzing missions you are going after LP and/or standings not pure isk. If you want to make isk on L4s you need to kill everything and loot/salvage the better missions. L3s can be blitzed faster for pure LP and standings gain.

For a new player, L3s work out even better cause you can run them faster then you could do L4s.

As for missions, if you are running L3s for Fed Navy then you should have standings for L3s missions with other Gallente corps. Do the work yourself, figure out which corp has the best item, ship, implant that makes you lots of isk and run L3s for them. The more LP an item costs the better your conversion so store up the LP and get high value items.

For Blitzing go with DPS and speed. Gallente drone boats rock when it comes to fast missions cause you can send the drones one way and fly the other way. Myrm is good, so is vexor navy issue. Train up to T2 drones and forget shields when flying Gallente, they can wait.


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