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Any advice about my future in EVE?

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May Shirley
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-07-07 12:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: May Shirley
Hey there,

I've played EVE around 2010 & 2013, but it's always the same - I've forgot virtually everything about this complex marvel & I'm starting from beginning. So I'm wondering whether I could get some more experienced players to comment on my intended future.

Where I'm today?

  • I have approx 350 000SP
  • I am flying Vexor for missions & ratting // Navy Hookbill for missions that allow only frigates & destroyers // Mangate for exploration
  • My account "boasts" with roughly 100 mil ISK

What do I plan to do?

Okay, so I'd like to fly Drake ASAP, because I've found out Vexor's playstyle doesn't agree with me. Missiles, some help from drones & shield tanking is the way to go for me - or at least I think so. My plan is to fly security missions 3/4 with Drake & earn ISK that way. M y friend will scavenge wrecks for me afterwards.

Just running missions is boring & I'm thinking about exploration career, but I've found out, that pinpointing it's somewhat frustrating. (X, Y, Z grid overlay would help so much...)

Any ideas or tips? :-) I'm grateful for any advice!
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-07-07 13:12:30 UTC
I advise you decouple your enjoyment of the game from specific hulls, and rather attach it to an activity. What I mean is, if you're not enjoying activity X in hull Y, you're not going to enjoy X in hull Z.

That's not to say that some ships aren't fun to fly in their own right of course, but your overall satisfaction of the game shouldn't be tied to "I can fly X ship". If I were you, I'd take a moment to think of anything you would have dreamed up of doing in a space game as a 10 year old, and then try and do it.

Grrr.

May Shirley
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-07-07 13:21:11 UTC
Azda Ja: As a 10 year old? Fly a cool "high tech" ship into an outer reaches of space & acquire new technologies from ancient civilizations -> Exploration in -0,X systems & perhaps inventing (although inventing seems boring).

Unfortunately I'm very worried about gate camps & I'm not sure whether I would make it back to sell loot from data/relic sites.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#4 - 2015-07-07 13:30:24 UTC
May Shirley wrote:
Hey there,

I've played EVE around 2010 & 2013, but it's always the same - I've forgot virtually everything about this complex marvel & I'm starting from beginning. So I'm wondering whether I could get some more experienced players to comment on my intended future.

Where I'm today?

  • I have approx 350 000SP
  • I am flying Vexor for missions & ratting // Navy Hookbill for missions that allow only frigates & destroyers // Mangate for exploration
  • My account "boasts" with roughly 100 mil ISK

What do I plan to do?

Okay, so I'd like to fly Drake ASAP, because I've found out Vexor's playstyle doesn't agree with me. Missiles, some help from drones & shield tanking is the way to go for me - or at least I think so. My plan is to fly security missions 3/4 with Drake & earn ISK that way. M y friend will scavenge wrecks for me afterwards.

Just running missions is boring & I'm thinking about exploration career, but I've found out, that pinpointing it's somewhat frustrating. (X, Y, Z grid overlay would help so much...)

Any ideas or tips? :-) I'm grateful for any advice!

If you just level your Drake by yourself or do only do solo exploration you will end up burning out and quitting like you did in 2010 and 2013. My advice: join a corp! Or at least some sort of social group where you can work on something bigger together. It will also give you access to advice and some resources to help get you going, as well as help you make social contacts that will keep you in the game. The PvE in Eve quickly loses its excitement so most people really need to have some greater goal than just grinding ISK in missions to stick with the game.

If you really want to maximize you chances of staying with Eve join a non-highsec corporation, or one that at least operates outside highsec that will help show you all the game can be. There are many choices depending on your interests, but any of them would be better than just playing the game solo until you quit out of boredom. So my advice would be to try every classic profession at least once - missioning, mining, exploration, trading, manufacturing - don't be afraid of putting some of skill points into these professions to at least get a taste of them or make an alt. A few hundred thousand skillpoints will be nothing six months down the road. Once you have settled on what you like to do, you can join a corp that matches your interests and go from there.

I say a non-highsec corp because the longer you stay in highsec the less likely you are to ever leave it. You are much better to nip that risk-aversion in the bud, and spend some time in low, null and WH space to see they are not the death traps some in the rookie channels make them out as. Even if you only like to do PvE or Industry, the opportunities in these spaces can be much greater so you should get comfortable operating there even if in the end you find you spend most of your time missioning in highsec.

If you like exploration look at Signal Cartel - I have no affiliation with them so this isn't a recruitment or a recommendation - but they are a corp that specializes in exploration-related things. But there are plenty of other corps like that that can help you experience all New Eden has to offer, and that is much more than just highsec missions.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-07-07 13:30:58 UTC
May Shirley wrote:
Azda Ja: As a 10 year old? Fly a cool "high tech" ship into an outer reaches of space & acquire new technologies from ancient civilizations -> Exploration in -0,X systems & perhaps inventing (although inventing seems boring).

Unfortunately I'm very worried about gate camps & I'm not sure whether I would make it back to sell loot from data/relic sites.

Here is a good, if slightly long video covering how to get in and out of lowsec safely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oki89dGD0Ok

Thank grumpy old Gregor if he comes through here Blink.

If exploring is your thing take a look at JonnyPew's videos as well. He's a well known EVE video maker, generally focusing on exploration gameplay. If you get the PvP itch, down the line, you can even try and set up traps for other explorers by cloaking up in a site and waiting for them to come along. A big part of exploration is knowing how to move around and survive. It's a big reason I would recommend it for any new player, it teaches you many many different things about the game that are applicable in many different activities. And (if learned right) teaches good habits.

Grrr.

May Shirley
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-07-07 13:34:45 UTC
Black Pedro & Azda Ja: Thank you both for wonderful tips :)).
Remi Renaud
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-07-07 21:21:33 UTC
Great advice from everyone so far. Just wanted to add my 2 cents here: my very first career in EVE was, like a lot of new players, mission running. It seemed like a steady source of income and a good way of earning enough to fund my first PLEX. After a month or so, I was running level 4 missions in a Raven.

To be fair, it was pretty steady income, but what I wasn't prepared for was how mind-numbing it was to accept the same missions over and over (declining the ones that weren't worth my time), switching out my fittings for the mission requirements, then going out and clicking on red crosses until I was bored to tears. I was literally having difficulty keeping my eyes open during some of the longer missions.

If you're set on doing missions as a career, find a corp with like-minded players to do them with. It's both a lot more efficient, and you'll have friends with you to help pass the time.

If you're like me and prefer flying solo because you can't log in regularly, you might want to look at pvp. I joined faction warfare immediately with this character and started having a blast with just T1 frigates.

It really opens up the game, gives you a deeper appreciation and understanding of the mechanics, and makes you a better player overall.

The plexes (points that you capture to aid your faction) provide enough income to replace your ships as long as you're smart about it, and focusing on frigate skills first means that you'll avoid being under-skilled for the bigger hulls.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#8 - 2015-07-08 02:30:14 UTC
Missiles are awesome, but drake's probably pretty out of your way, training-wise, if you're Gallente with your bigger ships (and thus probably more armor-tank trained than shield).

Amarr has a bunch of armor/missile and armor/missile+drone boats and Minmatar has flexible tank and a lot of missiles as well.

As far as not burning out, I'm going to agree with basically everyone else and say that it's like every other MMO -- it's not what you're doing, it's with whom you're doing it. Eve is complex by MMO standards but that's kind of a "tallest midget" deal, the game _itself_ isn't really all that nuanced or compelling. Find either actual friends or a corporation to fly around with, though, and things get a lot more fun and easier to invest in.
Pal Vandrefalk
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-07-08 09:30:21 UTC
If you are that set on Drake - do missions while skills train, mainly for rank and afterwards - find a C3/C4 WH Corp with "pulsar" system for bonuses for shield tanking and drop in. You can do C3 in Drake/Battleship solo, and C4 later with pirate BS/Golem. You can also do site running there (C3 and lower for combat-less exploration) if they have correct statics. You can farm relatively easily for PLEX this way and later - you can do PI/mining if you want to train, or go do some PVP in another WH system for fun. That way you will have 3 type of activities to fund you - exploration, Sleeper Sites, L4 missions. PI/Mining and PVP are optional.

For skills itself - I have 800K SP right now, flying droneboats and I am around 40 days more to train for T2 drones and armor tank. Leigh a bit more support I think I can tacks C3 in Myrm/VNI. Maxed out exploration skills is another 3 month (maybe less if you opt out for Astero instead of CovOps).
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#10 - 2015-07-09 05:40:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
hmmm... really you will want a BS for lvl4's. Drake can do, but not all and not without really good skill. If I were starting EVE today and know what I know, I'd likely first go for Hawk doing combat exploration. Then later when core skills are trained well, go BS. Also, Hawks can do lvl4's (they are just mini-cruisers), though much faster with a friend. Also I'd look into FW missioning, as a stealth bomber can open many doors and earn lots of ISK, even to disregard BS training for lvl4 missioning. Though BS training is a good path if you ever want to do incursions, say x-train caldari and amarr for a nightmare. But long time off, no telling where incursions will be at that point.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-07-11 15:06:53 UTC
Don't do anything anyone says just because they have been playing the game for a long time. There is a lot of really good advice in this thread so far but this game is very personal. You need to find your own play style. That being said don't be afraid to try anything anyone tells you just don't get upset of confused if your experience differs from theirs.

My best advice is try everything including things that you don't think you will like. Also just because you tried something once and did not like it does not mean that a few months down the road with more experience you won't enjoy something that you did not previously. Also don't be afraid to "waste" skill points trying something out. This early in the game it is very very difficult to train stuff that you won't wind up using later on regardless of what you think that you will want to do a month or a year from now.

With those points in mind I would suggest skilling up all four races to very entry level and trying out lots of small ships. Get a feel for all the different gun types and missiles and drone boats as well as maybe some entry level logi stuff. By entry level I mean level 2 or 3 racial frigate and associated weapon skills. Maybe try destroyers as well.

As you are trying out the different racial ship line ups you can try various "proffessions" like missions and belt ratting and anomalies and such to get the hang of piloting your ship as well as experimenting with exploration and some PvP etc... After a couple months of just playing around with stuff you'll have a much better idea of which direction that you would like to focus your efforts.

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Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-07-11 16:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Freya Sertan
I'm just gonna leave this here. Do exactly what you want to do and enjoy it. When you stop enjoying it, pick something else. That's the beauty of EvE; no wrong way to play*.

I started off as a highsec carebull(not carebear because **** bears). Built up a ton of LP and a good amount of ISK and then figured the whole highsec thing wasn't my bag; no threat outside of suicide ganks and yeah, not worried about that. I have good attention and I don't play AFK. Joined an exploration corp and realized that the pacifist, dock-up during wardecs style is not what I enjoy. At ALL. Took a number of corps to figure that out.

Then I joined Pandemic Horde.

EvE has finally become fun.

I guess my advice is to find a player corp that fits your style and get into what EvE has to offer. I would recommend PH just because it's so damn fun in Catch and Saranen. Brave Newbies Inc. is another good one to look at. I'll fight you in-game any time you want and will never pod you... well, maybe never. Twisted











*unless you mine afk in highsec. then that's wrong... very wrong, indeed

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

May Shirley
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-07-11 17:53:25 UTC  |  Edited by: May Shirley
I've learned a few things in the couple of days since posting this thread - all your this are greatly appreciated, thank you so much.

  • I really enjoy exploration in WHs, although I always find only a scraps "4mil/HR"
  • I love speed & rocket launchers
  • Huge ships aren't my thing, they are just too slow & it feel like forever to get somewhere
  • I'm still afraid of engaging sleepers

What I've found interesting was when I got podded in WH, I just chatted with that person & my death wasn't in vain - he explained a few things to me about surviving in WH space & I started to use d-scan, yay me :)).

So to wrap it up, I think I will:

  1. Find a WH corp
  2. Specialize in frigates & possibly something tankier, but still fast later on
  3. I'll probably try some PvP to see if I'll like it & if it will make me grow as EVE player


Oh & Freya: Haha, I'm up for trying to fight you, but later - I still have a huuuuuge number of basic skills to train, I won't get a slight chance without them :-P.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-07-11 18:01:46 UTC
May Shirley wrote:
I've learned a few things in the couple of days since posting this thread - all your this are greatly appreciated, thank you so much.

  • I really enjoy exploration in WHs, although I always find only a scraps "4mil/HR"
  • I love speed & rocket launchers
  • Huge ships aren't my thing, they are just too slow & it feel like forever to get somewhere
  • I'm still afraid of engaging sleepers

What I've found interesting was when I got podded in WH, I just chatted with that person & my death wasn't in vain - he explained a few things to me about surviving in WH space & I started to use d-scan, yay me :)).

So to wrap it up, I think I will:

  1. Find a WH corp
  2. Specialize in frigates & possibly something tankier, but still fast later on
  3. I'll probably try some PvP to see if I'll like it & if it will make me grow as EVE player


Oh & Freya: Haha, I'm up for trying to fight you, but later - I still have a huuuuuge number of basic skills to train, I won't get a slight chance without them :-P.


Anytime you want. I only have 10.5m SP myself. =)

I would recommend Signal Cartel as a great WH corp to join. They are one of the pacifist corps I was talking about but they practically own wormholes. Eve-scout.com is run by SC.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Alleja DeSan-na
Trinity Collective Co.
DammFam
#15 - 2015-07-12 01:45:38 UTC
May Shirley wrote:

  • I really enjoy exploration in WHs, although I always find only a scraps "4mil/HR"



  • Hi.

    All depends on what are your goals as explorator (and your main goal on what you want from EVE).


    WHs exploration is nice (and rewarding) but need some tips to learn, often on your own skin.
    If you are looking for an ISK/H path, exploration is not a stable income, but still really worth in terms of money after you learn the tips of the profession.

    And isk a part, is one of the more excitant professions of EVE, if it is not limited to probe/run site/run out/probe/etc (that on long period become boring as everything).


    The best instruments on this work are a cloack, some skills on D-scan, some awareness skills and a lot of curiosity to... explore.

    Feel free to mail me if you feel in the mood to have a run toghether sometimes.
    Webvan
    All Kill No Skill
    #16 - 2015-07-12 01:50:23 UTC
    ergherhdfgh wrote:
    Don't do anything anyone says just because they have been playing the game for a long time.

    My best advice is try everything including things that you don't think you will like.

    With those points in mind I would suggest skilling up all four races to very entry level and trying out lots of small ships.

    As you are trying out the different racial ship line ups you can try various "proffessions"

    Doesn't that sort of cancel out the rest of your post Blink

    Quite honestly, EVE is in ways much like any other mmo, for the veteran mmo player anyway. If you have spent a number of years playing mmo's already, you have probably already determined your personal play style that fits into most any game.

    You like missioing? EVE has that, just like SWG did and EnB did (to name a couple past internet spaceship games). If you like to heal, tank, play the raw sustained DPS or even the burst DPS rogue, EVE has it and much more.

    Still many aspects of EVE I have never tried nor will ever (e.g. mining). I liked missiles in EnB and SWG and do so here, though eventually trained a few other systems but still missiles are my fav as always. I'd say just head in the general direction you are use too, don't waste time you are sure you have no interest in, but still do experiment if/when you have the time and in the general direction you plot out.

    I'm in it for the money

    Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

    ergherhdfgh
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #17 - 2015-07-12 13:46:52 UTC
    Webvan wrote:
    ergherhdfgh wrote:
    Don't do anything anyone says just because they have been playing the game for a long time.

    My best advice is try everything including things that you don't think you will like.

    With those points in mind I would suggest skilling up all four races to very entry level and trying out lots of small ships.

    As you are trying out the different racial ship line ups you can try various "proffessions"

    Doesn't that sort of cancel out the rest of your post Blink

    Quite honestly, EVE is in ways much like any other mmo, for the veteran mmo player anyway. If you have spent a number of years playing mmo's already, you have probably already determined your personal play style that fits into most any game.

    You like missioing? EVE has that, just like SWG did and EnB did (to name a couple past internet spaceship games). If you like to heal, tank, play the raw sustained DPS or even the burst DPS rogue, EVE has it and much more.

    Still many aspects of EVE I have never tried nor will ever (e.g. mining). I liked missiles in EnB and SWG and do so here, though eventually trained a few other systems but still missiles are my fav as always. I'd say just head in the general direction you are use too, don't waste time you are sure you have no interest in, but still do experiment if/when you have the time and in the general direction you plot out.

    I don't see how my qualifier at the beginning cancels out anything that I said after that. The OP should not listen to anything that I, or anyone else, tells him just because I've been playing the game for 6+ years. My first week into this game I corrected a 4 year old player on an incorrect statement he made and since then have been corrected multiple times myself by players much younger than myself so age does not make you infallible. Also Eve is an extremely subjective game most other MMOs out there today have prescriptions for various things like: best leveling spec, best in slot gear, best spell rotation, best DPS spec etc... that are just not present in Eve and make for a very different gaming experience IMHO.

    Granted I've not tried every game out there and there are few that I have made it past the trial or open beta however from what I've seen most other games out there are trying to be like each other. From what I've seen SWG is probably the most similar to Eve but sony took that game down a few years ago. Most other games that I have seen have some sort of level cap or something similar as well as structured even up PvP and more engaging and more challenging PvE which due to the death mechanics in this game can not really be duplicated. I think those facts make eve very much different.

    May Shirley wrote:

  • I really enjoy exploration in WHs, although I always find only a scraps "4mil/HR"

  • I'm not sure if you have figured this out yet or not and if not watch some more exploration guides however many players use cargo scanner to see what is in a container before hacking it and therefore cherry pick only the good the stuff leaving you with what the decided was not worth the effort. You will learn how to spot these sites with experience. That one fact is the reason that I don't explore anymore myself I got sick of coming across sites that were effectively completed but did not despawn.

    Anyway back to my main point that with experience exploration will average you much more than 4 million isk per hour.

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