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CCP is ruining owning a super we all trained + waited to fly
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#61 - 2015-07-07 13:09:23 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
It's pretty dumb to think they'll just abandon you folks. People who are stupid enough to believe that are no loss when they leave. It's just as stupid as highseccers of all kinds not getting how obviously there will come a balance pass smashing through their gameplay as well.

You're all like children, but worse. Lol


It is pretty dumb, however lets look at the evidence at hand: Fozzie and Rise's inheritance of completely imbalanced and boring capital gameplay system.

FTFY

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#62 - 2015-07-07 13:09:43 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Dear, oh dear, oh dear - 17.5k DPS becomes 17.2k.


you just won the internet Big smile

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Natalia Abre-Kai
#63 - 2015-07-07 13:10:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Natalia Abre-Kai
I must've missed the blob of drone battlecruisers. Lol
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2015-07-07 13:16:25 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
It's pretty dumb to think they'll just abandon you folks. People who are stupid enough to believe that are no loss when they leave. It's just as stupid as highseccers of all kinds not getting how obviously there will come a balance pass smashing through their gameplay as well.

You're all like children, but worse. Lol


It is pretty dumb, however lets look at the evidence at hand: Fozzie and Rise's inheritance of completely imbalanced and boring capital gameplay system.

FTFY

You mUst be around 18-25 max. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-07-07 13:25:17 UTC
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
I must've missed the blob of drone battlecruisers. Lol


They are as prevalent as the missile BC blob, the projectile BC blob and every other BC blob. Nerfing their damage mod by 2% will not break them and they have to be re-thought out anyway so them catching a little bit of nerf shrapnell is meaningless right now.
Natalia Abre-Kai
#66 - 2015-07-07 13:34:47 UTC
Meaningless to you because you don't fly them I am guessing. It does not change the fact that they were nerfed, instead of fixing the individual ships like they should have.
davet517
Raata Invicti
#67 - 2015-07-07 13:40:11 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
It's pretty dumb to think they'll just abandon you folks. People who are stupid enough to believe that are no loss when they leave. It's just as stupid as highseccers of all kinds not getting how obviously there will come a balance pass smashing through their gameplay as well.

You're all like children, but worse. Lol


You mean like they abandoned "Moms" (Super-Carriers) to languish for the two years between Trinity (introduction of HICs) and Dominion? Yeah, they'd never do that.

Seems to me the child is the one speaking from a lack of experience.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-07-07 13:43:01 UTC
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
Meaningless to you because you don't fly them I am guessing. It does not change the fact that they were nerfed, instead of fixing the individual ships like they should have.


You area flying ships that were already known to be sub-par and throwing a fit because they got nerfed by collateral damage of a good change instead of just getting off this failtrain that is using these ships to begin with.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2015-07-07 13:44:38 UTC
davet517 wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
It's pretty dumb to think they'll just abandon you folks. People who are stupid enough to believe that are no loss when they leave. It's just as stupid as highseccers of all kinds not getting how obviously there will come a balance pass smashing through their gameplay as well.

You're all like children, but worse. Lol


You mean like they abandoned "Moms" (Super-Carriers) to languish for the two years between Trinity (introduction of HICs) and Dominion? Yeah, they'd never do that.

Seems to me the child is the one speaking from a lack of experience.


Did you notice they've been treating their game differently for a few month at elast by now which is vastly different than how they did back in the trinity days? I wonder if that might apply to super/titan rebalance they said they would do in accordance to their new SOV system...
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2015-07-07 13:49:02 UTC
davet517 wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
It's pretty dumb to think they'll just abandon you folks. People who are stupid enough to believe that are no loss when they leave. It's just as stupid as highseccers of all kinds not getting how obviously there will come a balance pass smashing through their gameplay as well.

You're all like children, but worse. Lol


You mean like they abandoned "Moms" (Super-Carriers) to languish for the two years between Trinity (introduction of HICs) and Dominion? Yeah, they'd never do that.

Seems to me the child is the one speaking from a lack of experience.
Damn, you got me! I also keep making threads demanding things are being made easier for me, or threads about how i am being ignored and my playstyle needs to be protected, or about how my super is worthless without even considering that a balance pass will definitely come.

Damn, yeah, you got me!! LolLol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Natalia Abre-Kai
#71 - 2015-07-07 13:50:43 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
Meaningless to you because you don't fly them I am guessing. It does not change the fact that they were nerfed, instead of fixing the individual ships like they should have.


You area flying ships that were already known to be sub-par and throwing a fit because they got nerfed by collateral damage of a good change instead of just getting off this failtrain that is using these ships to begin with.

Throwing a fit? Lol Calling a poorly executed/thought-out fix lazy is a "fit"? You're just trying to nitpick at stupid stuff now, seems like you're just trolling to me.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2015-07-07 13:55:23 UTC
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
Meaningless to you because you don't fly them I am guessing. It does not change the fact that they were nerfed, instead of fixing the individual ships like they should have.


You area flying ships that were already known to be sub-par and throwing a fit because they got nerfed by collateral damage of a good change instead of just getting off this failtrain that is using these ships to begin with.

Throwing a fit? Lol Calling a poorly executed/thought-out fix lazy is a "fit"? You're just trying to nitpick at stupid stuff now, seems like you're just trolling to me.


They want to nerf drone boat in general so they nerfed the mod that affect all drones. How is that not well though out? Are they supposed to go over every ships and lower each respective drone bonus just to somehow protect a class of ship that didn't really get used anyway and is in need to be re-visited anyway?
jin ko82
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2015-07-07 18:21:55 UTC
cry more
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2015-07-07 20:49:44 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
They're gong to be rebalanced before the end of the year.

I can almost say that with a straight face.


Yeah... i have been hearing that for 5+ years.

Been around since the beginning.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#75 - 2015-07-07 21:18:35 UTC
I too dreamed back when starting 2009 someday flying those big ships in trailers...

Well, if CCP see this is best for the game, I guess I just chew it, like many times before.

I certainly hope some future expansion will bring new and good balanced use for caps worth their price, but I feel it´s going to be long wait.

Then again, nothing new in EvE Big smile
Pew Terror
All of it
#76 - 2015-07-07 21:32:35 UTC
I have a serious question that I cannot wrap my head around (I am poor and new and fly small stuff and have no idea):


On the one hand I constantly see posts coming up about supers being useless.

On the other hand there is the same amount of posts about supers being disgustingly oppressive.


Which one is it?
Ionsei Kubarick
Doomheim
#77 - 2015-07-08 01:23:15 UTC
Pew Terror wrote:
I have a serious question that I cannot wrap my head around (I am poor and new and fly small stuff and have no idea):


On the one hand I constantly see posts coming up about supers being useless.

On the other hand there is the same amount of posts about supers being disgustingly oppressive.


Which one is it?


They're totally useless, except when they are disgustingly oppressive.
Dantelion Shinoni
Empirical Inventions
#78 - 2015-07-08 01:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dantelion Shinoni
davet517 wrote:

Again, you have an issue of cost. Nobody is going to field a 100 billion isk blap-titan that has had its HP and damage slashed, just because. It's just not worth the risk. If we were talking about a 10 billion isk Titan that was 5 times more effective against sub-caps than a dread, and 5 times as survivable, for 5 times the cost, maybe. Not for 50 times the cost.

You can theory craft all kinds of ways to make them "force multipliers", but there are far too many of them now for that to be a reasonable role to play for all of us who trained for them and ground out the isk to buy them.

CCP is promising a "re-balance", but, don't hold your breath. "Motherships" languished for years before Dominion. It's not at all unlikely that supers and titans will do the same now, while CCP pursues it's grand plan for a new sov game.


If they give you an extra 5%, 10%, or other small amounts of damage, HP, AND damage application than a dread, wouldn't you be willing to sacrifice the extra hundreds of billions for that advantage as an alliance/coalition? People seems to be willing to do it at the scale of a ship.

If anything those ships need a buff, yes a buff, so that people get them out there ang get them to die.

They need a major buff to damage application so that the absence of structures to shoot at is not fatal to them. People need to feel good about fielding them against subcaps.

What they need a nerf to is their ability to preserve themselves, remove Capital Reps as suggested, limit their ability to be repaired, etc..

Then they will be extremely benefitial to the game in that they will serve as a way to empty the unending vaults out there, kinda like a consumable for extra power with a sizeable cost but worth the cost once you can afford everything else.
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#79 - 2015-07-08 02:53:47 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
good for you! death to all supers! subcap is more fun anyway


Agreed I was thinking quite a few years back to get into a Super Carrier or a titan.

But when I heard that you need to stay an a SC or a titan logged off I thought it is a waste of my time.

Where in a sub cap you can at least dock up in a station or fly to a pos and do lots of other great things.

JF and rorques are fine as they are caps and the JF you can at least dock them up safely.

And we should not forget those sneaky blackops ships that can jump clokey stealth bombers and other clokey ships into your system as well.

Fun Fun Fun that is why ccp should continue with the subcaps and bring more new ships into the game.

BTW CCP is doing a great job and yes they are human, and mistakes like we all do.

Big smile


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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#80 - 2015-07-08 10:11:59 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Dear, oh dear, oh dear - 17.5k DPS becomes 17.2k.


you just won the internet Big smile


Erryday.

Although, it is probably closer to 17k flat. Blink

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