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What to do, what to do?

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Rannz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-07-05 21:46:20 UTC
I played Eve back in 2010 and then for a bit in 2012. I stopped and now getting the itch to come back to play.

As with the other time I tried to re-energize myself for Eve, I am in the dark of what to do. I have scoured the internet, Youtube, the forums, etc. to get a handle of all of the things that I could do and I am just not sure what direction to take or how to get started. That is probably why I end up only staying for a month or two and then leaving.

My goal has always been to earn enough ISK per month to get things I want, and pay for my playing time with PLEX. I'm not clear if I can do this with between 5-10 hours a week of playing time. If not, then I am fine paying real cheddar to play but first and foremost I would like to have fun (everyone's goal I assume). So here in lies my uncertainty. Mine, Explore, Combat or PvP. Early on I think I was training for combat, but along the way after joining a Corp, I decided to go the route of a salvager. I lost interest after a month and quit playing again. I do like the combat portion of the game but I am not sure how to start my career doing it, and during the training process, how to earn the ISK to progress. I would like to continue to use this pilot if I can and haven't screwed up my skills. I have over 500M ISK and 7.5M skill points (obviously spent).

So I guess I am looking for any helpful information, or well done tutorials for pursuing a career path in Eve. From what I read, mining sounds profitable, but it also sounds a little boring for me. Like I mentioned I do enjoy the PVE combat I have done, is PVP more fun and profitable? I also like the idea of doing exploration.

Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2015-07-05 22:44:42 UTC
If you're looking to earn enough profit to PLEX your account, I highly recommend exploration of wormhole space and running the null sec relic/data sites in lower class wormholes. They can net you a large amount of high value salvage and materials that can be sold back in high sec. Your biggest concern then will be avoiding other players while doing so, so you'll need a scan ship with a cloak fit to it or a cov ops that can warp about cloaked. There are some good guides to it on youtube, and I'm sure other people here have even more ideas to help you out. Good luck!

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Belesia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
#3 - 2015-07-05 23:00:39 UTC
I fell in love with both solo frigate pvp and exploration. At the moment (for the past year infact) i've been very much involved with exploration. But dispite all the content on offer such as, anomalies, escalatons, unrated sites, ded sites, ghost sites, sleeper caches and data/relic sites, the most engaging part of my play is from colaborating with other explorers.

I offer 20% of profit as a finders fee to other explorers that find Sleeper Caches for example. I've handed over 20-50 million to week old players before and now I have quite a few players who feed me co-ords for Sleeper Caches. I get mails and private messages all the time about them. So in essence what i'm trying to say is the more social you are in any given career path that you choose, the more fun or engaging and rewarding experience you will have. Thus keeping you playing for much longer than your previous stints.

Make sure you join several public channels pertaining to whatever it is you are doing as well. There's nothing better than to have things to read and perhaps even chime in or ask more experienced players while you are playing. Worst case, have help chat open, there's always something to read and chances are you will learn a thing or two.

If you fancy getting more involved with exploration feel free to contact me in game for help or advice, and be sure to join the "Scanning" channel. There's plenty of competent explorers of all the content on offer hanging out there.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-07-05 23:26:17 UTC
hacking exploration will be where you can make the most money with least sp invested.

Once you get better combat skills you can start running lower end DED sites for chances at rare drops.

You can make consistent good money if you head to null sec and join a renter corp, however this is extraordinarily mind-numbing and most likely will make you quit again
Ramshack Z
Maeda-Koru Group
#5 - 2015-07-05 23:40:19 UTC
If you want combat there are currently more avenues than ever to quickly join the ranks of a pvp organization. Just as important, they'll pretty much shower you with free stuff from skillbooks to ships and you will rarely hurt for isk so long as you're participating in corp operations. Just take a gander at the EVE subreddit to see some of the flagship newbie organizations. They're all in the side-bar.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-07-06 00:12:43 UTC
People will tell you lots of ways to earn the ISK for PLEX every month plus whatever you want to fly, and I am sure most of them are viable. But in the end, there's still a chance it will take away from your enjoyment of the game. Not only are the most ways to reliably get ISK rather boring, it will also put you under pressure to log in, when you don't want to or to grind when you would rather like to go and shoot some guys, just so your account won't run out. Being able to comfortably sustain your account takes some getting established (or luck), otherwise it can burn you out rather quickly.
Ramshack Z
Maeda-Koru Group
#7 - 2015-07-06 01:01:27 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Being able to comfortably sustain your account takes some getting established (or luck), otherwise it can burn you out rather quickly.


This is a very good point. It's tempting to try and grind out the isk, but turning EVE into a really low-paying job is a bad idea. Low effort isk gets much easier with experience so perhaps put that goal on the back burner for a few months while you get established.
Rannz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-07-06 01:27:31 UTC
Thanks all for the tips. Much appreciated.

I tend to agree that trying to force myself to grind for the ISK to buy a PLEX every month might be counter-productive to having fun playing the game.

I might put that on the back burner for a while, like Ramzhack suggested.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-07-06 02:58:21 UTC
Isn't having so many choices of what to do a nice "problem" to have? Smile I really like that about EvE. Welcome back, hope you stay around for some time.










Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-07-06 03:15:55 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Isn't having so many choices of what to do a nice "problem" to have? Smile I really like that about EvE. Welcome back, hope you stay around for some time.


I hate it, because then I never know what I want to do X

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#11 - 2015-07-06 03:44:05 UTC
Yeah plex prices too high now anyway. Take a subscription block, go out and hunt those grinding for plex. Once they fail to farm enough isk for plex and are forced to quit EVE, plex prices could go down and then be more affordable for you. A likely fun process to keep you enthralled.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#12 - 2015-07-06 11:58:07 UTC
Anything you choose to do in Eve will be more enjoyable if you do it with friends. If you are considering a career in exploration - be sure to check out https://www.eve-scout.com/signal-cartel/

To PLEX your account in 10 hours/week requires 25 million ISK/hour - easily achievable by level 4 missions, industry or exploration - you can make more than that exploring in high-sec if you can run the DED 3/10 and 4/10 combat sites you'll find. You can also multi-task, combining an activity that requires concentration (exploration) with one that doesn't (industry).

Industry has the advantage that it is "hands off" once a job has been submitted - your labs and factories will continue to invent and manufacture while you are sleeping, or at work. The finished goods you take to market will also continue to sell while you are doing other things. Skills like scientific networking and supply chain management will let you deliver and submit jobs remotely - perhaps while you are running a mission. If it's something you find interesting, you could start by manufacturing T1 rigs and mobile structures. Rigs in particular don't require a lot of skill and are a good way to learn the market.

Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#13 - 2015-07-06 20:42:45 UTC
Join a corporation with people you're actually willing to talk to, and do what they do.

Even losing hard in a group is much more fun than being 100% win rate or whatever solo.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-07-07 16:22:41 UTC
Rannz wrote:
I played Eve back in 2010 and then for a bit in 2012. I stopped and now getting the itch to come back to play.
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So I guess I am looking for any helpful information, or well done tutorials for pursuing a career path in Eve. From what I read, mining sounds profitable, but it also sounds a little boring for me. Like I mentioned I do enjoy the PVE combat I have done, is PVP more fun and profitable? I also like the idea of doing exploration.

Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.

Hai Rannz,

First piece of advice I would give is to never get on the ISK grinding hamster wheel. If you can purchase PLEX and sell them for ISK to fund your activities to begin, you can fast-track to doing what you might enjoy, not what meets ISK grind max/min projections. Later on down the road if you are in a good null sov holding alliance, grinding becomes viable and not the ballache it typically is.

Second piece of advice is definitely include PVP in your goals. As time goes on, you get better at it, play with other good players in a good corp or alliance, and subsequently lose fewer ships. One way to experiment with it (in the comfort of hisec) is described here, as you search in parallel for a good corp & dudes to join up with. Other good learning avenues before going full-losec or nullsec, would be to join a hisec mercenary corp..as found in the C&P section. Many elitists pooh-pooh hisec asshattery as a means to learn pvp, but I found it very enjoyable a way to learn mechanics while also reducing personal losses.

F

Rannz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-07-07 16:26:33 UTC
Thanks for the additional advice.

I decided that I am going to try my hand at exploring for a bit. I guess nothing is restricting me from also dabbling in mid-sec combat missions as well (SP used wisely I assume). Do Little, you mentioned being able to run the DED 3/10 missions solo....doable in a Magnate?

I'm going to monitor the recruitment channel for a while and see if I can't find a laid back corp to fellowship with.

Thanks again, all of the advice and info is greatly appreciated.
Rannz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-07-07 16:29:08 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
[quote=Rannz]

Second piece of advice is definitely include PVP in your goals. As time goes on, you get better at it, play with other good players in a good corp or alliance, and subsequently lose fewer ships. One way to experiment with it (in the comfort of hisec) is described here, as you search in parallel for a good corp & dudes to join up with. Other good learning avenues before going full-losec or nullsec, would be to join a hisec mercenary corp..as found in the C&P section. Many elitists pooh-pooh hisec asshattery as a means to learn pvp, but I found it very enjoyable a way to learn mechanics while also reducing personal losses.

F




Thanks Feyd, that sounds very interesting. I'll make sure to check it out.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#17 - 2015-07-07 16:48:14 UTC
Highsec PVP is not for the faint of heart, much waiting and disappointment are involved.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-07-07 19:55:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Highsec PVP is not for the faint of heart, much waiting and disappointment are involved.

Sure, but the benefit is you get to learn while still getting dank frags (and minimizing loses). I think the risk v reward ratio is much better in hisec, and you can also fly *good* stuff -- instead of just endlessly trading cheap T1's tit-for-tat in RvB, FW or losec/null roams (as a newbro).

p.s.
This can provide further insights for those progressing from Mission-Flipping into Merccing.

F
Remi Renaud
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-07-07 21:09:09 UTC
I jumped straight into faction warfare as a new character, and branched out into exploration as a way of taking a break from pvp.

IMO, faction warfare is the most accessible form of pvp for new players as you're free to go solo or find a fleet, and most players fly frigates, dessies, and cruisers at the most to minimize expenses. The plexes give you enough income to pay for your ships, although like the others have mentioned, I wouldn't advise grinding them for PLEX money as that would just suck all the fun out of it.

Some people might advise having an alt to haul and purchase stuff for your main character, but I do it all on my main as having enemy militia pilots flying around in hi-sec is no worse than having a war dec going on and allows you to develop good habits in traveling to and fro.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#20 - 2015-07-08 00:05:23 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Highsec PVP is not for the faint of heart, much waiting and disappointment are involved.

Sure, but the benefit is you get to learn while still getting dank frags (and minimizing loses). I think the risk v reward ratio is much better in hisec, and you can also fly *good* stuff -- instead of just endlessly trading cheap T1's tit-for-tat in RvB, FW or losec/null roams (as a newbro).

p.s.
This can provide further insights for those progressing from Mission-Flipping into Merccing.

F

Once upon a time when the cost was much, much lower and people we slightly less dedicated to not ever trying to fight back I would have recommended it, but right now I don't, at least not for the super new.
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