EVE General Discussion

TBH CCP didn't ruin supers at all. This is a sandbox game, and they did their best to provide the freedom to build and use them.
It was the supercap blob that ruined it. Put that blame where it belongs. Also grrr.

The super-blob was a fairly predictable outcome of Dominion sov, with its SC buff and simultaneous buff to null-sec income, and many of us did predict it. You can't blame players for reacting to changes in game mechanics that suddenly make supers the apex force in the game, and simultaneously buff the income needed to obtain them.

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5 time as effective vs subcap AND 5 time the survivability for 5 time the cost? Are you insane?

If anything, for 5 time the efficiency vs subcap it should cost at elast around 30 time as much.

Price progression is not linear with power.

Because...? The price disparity between a Titan and a Dread hasn't changed that much since their introduction, and if you remember right, a Titan or two could blap an entire sub-cap fleet at the press of a button back then. Then, properly fit, and again, for the same price, they could decimate BS fleets. That went away too. Price didn't come down though.

It's yet to be seen what fozzie-sov doctrines will look like. if effective doctrines can be devised that don't require triage carriers, there's no reason for dreads to take the field, and no role for supers to come and kill them.

I think that the fatal flaw in Fozziesov is that CCP has vastly under-estimated the extent to which mudflation has taken hold. The established sov holders can easily afford to throw thousands of entosis linked ships at any timer they really want to win, and, with TIDI, at least achieve a stalemate until the attacker quits in frustration. They probably should have made them a limited resource (e.g. limited run T1 BPCs, instead of BPOs) to force strategies other than spamming them.

I dont get it were super crap before DDA were added to the game?

what is the actual dps loss for the ship? is it that you are upset you cant kill dreads and pos guns as fast or is it that you solo in your super and cant do annoms as fast anymore?

I love the mentality behind the assumption that what the OP chose to train a while ago should have any bearing on game balance.

Why do you consider that a fatal flaw? I think of it as Fozziesov working as intended and doing good. A defender who has a thousand pilots active in a system should be able to use them all to defend their SOV. (Although for the daily vulnerability window it'll probably be a dozen ships with Entosis links and 988 PvP ships. Just one defending Entosis is all that's needed to pause the attacker's progress. For a constellation-wide capture race, I could see it being as many as 40 Entosis ships supported by 960 PvP ships.)

The brilliance of Fozziesov is when an established SOV holder doesn't have a thousand pilots in a system - in which case an attacker can come in with a small sub-cap force (or even a single T1 ship, if the system is truly empty) and trigger the capture race in less than an hour. And an empty constellation means the same small sub-cap force can capture the objective in, again, less than an hour.

Fozziesov also means that if an established SOV holder is facing multiple attacks at once - even if each attack is a single T1 ship - those attacks have to be actively responded to. In Dominion SOV, the sheer HP grind was enough to defend SOV in absentia unless the attacker wanted to risk several billion worth of dreads and supers. Now, actively flying pilots will be required. Eight simultaneous attacks would mean that the 1000-pilot force has to be divided up into 125 pilot fleets that each go to different systems. And a clever attacker can use feints and gatecamps wormhole mobility (well, maybe not that last one after tomorrow's patch) to outmaneuver a defender.

Spamming ships will always be a viable tactic. And a much better one than Dominion SOV, IMO, which can be considered to have been a system of spamming AFK HP.

This. The vast majority of people I have seen pissing and moaning about the new mechanic are all basically whining "you mean we actually have to play the game?" Yes, yes you do.

If you nerf/remove something because it was broken, you don't compensate with price reduction. That's always the cost of going for FOTM or WTFPWNMOBILE type of trait in any supported MMO.