EVE General Discussion

Dear, oh dear, oh dear - 17.5k DPS becomes 17.2k.

I'll take any unwanted supers off your hands and give it a good home.

They're gong to be rebalanced before the end of the year.

I can almost say that with a straight face.

It's pretty dumb to think they'll just abandon you folks. People who are stupid enough to believe that are no loss when they leave. It's just as stupid as highseccers of all kinds not getting how obviously there will come a balance pass smashing through their gameplay as well.

You're all like children, but worse.

To quote CCP seagull "they are some of the most aspirational ships in EvE Online and we (CCP) will work hard to make them worth owning"

TL;DR DELETE ALL SPUERS FROM THE GAME BBQFFSOMFG!"WEASDASDR%"£$

I cannot wait to fly a battle Rorqual, and make the stars tremble.

I'm completely happy with the RP of a Hel as the anchor of my fleet, even more than a Rag (which I sold off recently).

I think CCP has painted themselves into a corner on this one, honestly.

The problem with SCs and Titans is their cost. They don't cost a bit more than a cap. They cost many times as much. If you make them powerful enough to justify their cost, they are the apex force in the game. If you diminish their power enough to keep them from being the apex force, they're no longer worth what they cost.

Through changes to how they work (tracking, DD, drones), they were already relegated to the role of capital killer and structure grinder. Now, no structure to grind takes one of those away, and makes fielding capitals for them to kill a lot less necessary to boot. Post fozzie-sov, the only natural escalation to supers will be to kill off triage carriers, and, why risk supers to do that when you can do it with dreads at a fraction of the cost?

There isn't a "balance pass" that's going to fix this. In the post fozzie-sov game, they're going to be largely irrelevant, just as "mother ships" were before Dominion.

The best thing to do would be to just remove them, and refund their cost and skill points. The next best thing to do would be to sharply cut their cost relative to capitals, and refund the difference to those who own them now. 6 billion isk super-carriers and 20 billion isk Titans that can dock would make some sense to keep as breakers of triage blobs in the post fozzie-sov game.

good for you! death to all supers! subcap is more fun anyway

[Disclaimer: I say this as a man who loves both Caps and Subcaps, and owns a Super.]

Actually, I find this encouraging. Maybe I'm hopelessly optimistic, but once Capitals are free of the ball and chain of structure killing, I feel there is real hope for a massive rebalance purely around themselves. Just to make sense, I feel the problem with Caps and Supers currently is circular - structures have massive hp, so Dreads/Supers/Titans need massive damage in order to turn structure grinds from painful self-inflicted torture, to something done in a reasonable time. But because they have such massive damage, it needs to be hobbled in such a way that it can't insta-pop ships left and right, which leads to appalling damage application on subcapitals, and massive hp pools on the ships they can apply that damage to (ie: the Capital line), and ludicrous inpenetrable capital-rep spider-tanks.

By removing structure grinding completely, CCP could (if they were brave) de-escalate Capital damage and hp completely. Slash Super and Dread damage, but make it easier to apply against the larger subcaps (I would like to see T3's not be able to laugh off my Fighters), and likewise hack Capital hp away across the board, and maybe remove Capital Reps completely (since lower hp and lower damage means subcapital remote reps could pick up the void). Once structure-grinding is gone, its no longer holding the leash on Capital gameplay, bring the Capital and Subcapital games closer together, rather than putting a massive cliff between them. But maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist