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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#41 - 2015-07-01 04:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
movie on a cheap amc theatre ticket 12$ time 2 24$ parking 16$ over time 32$ popcorn and soda/shake 16x2 32$

I max... they just hook you to a blood draining device...

Yeah eve is dirt cheap compared to time you can waste in it...

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2015-07-01 11:48:47 UTC
Jayden Thomas wrote:
PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.


Here's what you do:

Make a plan. Currently the cheapest Plex is 923m/isk. You're probably not going to fly around to save a few m/isk so let's stick with Jita at 927m/isk. In other words try to make about 31m/isk per day.

It really isn't that difficult when you plan accordingly. Run a mission, mine, PvP, do some FW plexing, Hauling, trading, PI, etc; but, whichever you choose to be your 'space job' do it in manageable increments over the course of the month so you don't burn yourself out.

Hell, I used to run L4 missions back in the day and one site was easily 30+ m/isk; assuming you LP and salvage. In other words, if you were worried and/or didn't care about LP/salvage, you could simply run two sites per day and from the bounties alone have enough for your plex and still have some left over for other things.

Also, scamming is the most lucrative and second to that I hear is station trading...

Send me some isk and I'll tell you all about it Pirate

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Jayden Thomas
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#43 - 2015-07-02 00:33:08 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.


With respect, you can't afford $11/mo?



This is one game. One. Singular. I've put in maybe 60 bucks when I first started. You really think this game is worth $132 for a year? I play most of the games I buy for multiple years. I wouldn't have paid over $132 for any of them..

Justifying it by saying "$11/month" really doesn't work lol. That's like saying "only 37 cents a day! Look how affordable that is!" Your logic only makes you feel better about spending all that money for only a single source of entertainment.

It's sad to think you could support a child in africa for less than a buck/day, and here you're justifying spending all that money to play a single game.
Jayden Thomas
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#44 - 2015-07-02 00:36:09 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.


Here's what you do:

Make a plan. Currently the cheapest Plex is 923m/isk. You're probably not going to fly around to save a few m/isk so let's stick with Jita at 927m/isk. In other words try to make about 31m/isk per day.

It really isn't that difficult when you plan accordingly. Run a mission, mine, PvP, do some FW plexing, Hauling, trading, PI, etc; but, whichever you choose to be your 'space job' do it in manageable increments over the course of the month so you don't burn yourself out.

Hell, I used to run L4 missions back in the day and one site was easily 30+ m/isk; assuming you LP and salvage. In other words, if you were worried and/or didn't care about LP/salvage, you could simply run two sites per day and from the bounties alone have enough for your plex and still have some left over for other things.

Also, scamming is the most lucrative and second to that I hear is station trading...

Send me some isk and I'll tell you all about it Pirate


It's still affordable obviously, I'm just saying if trends continue, eventually it won't be.
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-07-02 22:28:37 UTC
I'm just going to go ahead and admit that I don't get it.

I don't get how someone can complain about paying $15/mo for entertainment or, failing that, can't muster the will to earn the in-game equivalent in ISK.

I don't get how, if your gaming isn't worth some fraction of an hour's work (or hell, an hour even) every month for $ or a few hours for ISK that nonetheless it's somehow worth bitching about.

I don't get how, if there is absolutely no isk-making activity someone finds enjoyable in the game...i.e. pure player-pixel popping...griping about monthly costs make sense given that "I refuse to grind ISKs, I'm going to blow things up and get blown up and that's all I'm going to do!" is a conscious choice.

Playing costs what it costs, in time or in cash.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#46 - 2015-07-02 23:00:31 UTC
Jayden Thomas wrote:
Justifying it by saying "$11/month" really doesn't work lol. That's like saying "only 37 cents a day! Look how affordable that is!" Your logic only makes you feel better about spending all that money for only a single source of entertainment.
I know it's not so popular to do so any longer, but the reasoning fits well into what some people refer of as a "budget" Blink
Especially for adults, since we may pay loans, mortgages and other bills, and dividing them up on a month by month budget plan, sometimes factoring in years or even decades, well just helps in regards to survival. Ahh if only real-life were just like a cheap f2p, eh? Though I think that was once tried and it failed.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Ramshack Z
Maeda-Koru Group
#47 - 2015-07-02 23:09:29 UTC
Jayden Thomas wrote:
You really think this game is worth $132 for a year?


The act of subscribing is paying at least $132 a year, whether that's in cash or equivalent farming for someone else who paid cash in order to generate the PLEX you used is irrelevant.

I think the better question is why anyone who has to farm it out bothers when $132 a year is only 18.2 hours of work at the US minimum wage.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#48 - 2015-07-03 01:06:46 UTC
Jayden Thomas wrote:
PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.


Subscriber numbers and the PLEX price in-game are not inherently linked.

Suppose overnight every EVE player is replaced with two exact clones of themselves. For every whale buying PLEX with cash, there are now two; but for every grinder buying PLEX with ISK there are also two. The relative levels of supply and demand don't change; the price doesn't either.

Everyone has a story about how the PLEX price changing in the way they don't like is forcing them out of the game, but no. Suppose you are a pauper and forced out; as the price rises, it becomes more attractive to give CCP cash for PLEX and sell them for ISK - but ultimately every PLEX sold is a month's subscription. A whale will complain every time it goes down - why buy 800m ISK when one could have had 950 before the bubble burst? - as the price drops, it becomes more attractive to grind the cash; but ultimately, every month's subscription is still a PLEX bought.

CCP have no reason to care, except inasmuch as the more PLEX people buy to speculate, the more cash they get in advance, and the greater the chance of having them destroyed in transit, which is basically free cash for them.

I drop my £7.50 per month - it won't even reliably get you two pints in London, and I don't start every month in the hole in-game.
Crack Headz
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2015-07-03 01:44:32 UTC
Plex being higher now than a year ago would've made me think twice rather than rush to buy plex and put 200million isk bounties on a bunch of botters. LOL so i guess that's good TwistedTwisted
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#50 - 2015-07-03 01:56:39 UTC
Crack Headz wrote:
Plex being higher now than a year ago would've made me think twice rather than rush to buy plex and put 200million isk bounties on a bunch of botters. LOL so i guess that's good TwistedTwisted

You buy PLEX so you can put bounties on botters? LOL is definitely one of the thing appropriate for that.

I'm not a botter, but can I have a 200 million ISK bounty too? I haven't had one for a while.
Mechoj Nomreps e
Fat Dragon Pirate Co.
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#51 - 2015-07-03 08:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechoj Nomreps e
Ramshack Z wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
You really think this game is worth $132 for a year?


The act of subscribing is paying at least $132 a year, whether that's in cash or equivalent farming for someone else who paid cash in order to generate the PLEX you used is irrelevant.

I think the better question is why anyone who has to farm it out bothers when $132 a year is only 18.2 hours of work at the US minimum wage.



That is quite a narrow view. Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#52 - 2015-07-03 08:29:07 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?

User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?

At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?


Like the dollar, the more you print, the less its worth.

Empire, the next new world order.
Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#53 - 2015-07-03 10:45:45 UTC
Pay £90 at the start of the year...

Never worry about PLEX cost again.

Done

Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#54 - 2015-07-03 11:05:51 UTC
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
Ramshack Z wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
You really think this game is worth $132 for a year?


The act of subscribing is paying at least $132 a year, whether that's in cash or equivalent farming for someone else who paid cash in order to generate the PLEX you used is irrelevant.

I think the better question is why anyone who has to farm it out bothers when $132 a year is only 18.2 hours of work at the US minimum wage.



That is quite a narrow view. Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.


Looking at active users population I think this is already taking affect. From setting a new record 2 years ago with 60k logged in at once to seeing numbers slowly decrease to 20k. 19k, 18k I have to wonder how true, how the increase in plex is driving players away from the game because they can not afford it.
Ramshack Z
Maeda-Koru Group
#55 - 2015-07-03 13:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramshack Z
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
That is quite a narrow view.

Actually, in a very objective sense, it's the most panoramic view possible. What's myopic is the assumption that, effectively, "working," for others in-game, through the PLEX exchange, is the best most players can do in terms of how they acquire their game time.

Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:

Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.

Most people on earth, my extended family included, live in China and are well below the first world poverty line. They're not the intended market for the game we're playing right now. They have their own server. As I understand it, "most people," who play on TQ are actually middle-aged first-world men.

The game not being fun is an issue aside for you to debate, but if you're going to argue that most first-world adult males are unable to acquire the cash to fund a single EVE subscription I think we can safely discard your opinion.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-07-03 13:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Tell me, what version of eve do you play in which I can magically poof TWO billion isk ships out of my butt and then magically have the skills required to fly said ships, and also magically poofed an alt to help me do it, then poofed into a C4 wormhole site without scanning anything, and also poofed out any WH dwellers looking to scan me down, and then poofed back out of the WH back into high sec at a trading station that immediately buy my items? Tell me which version?

That's a lot of poofing...I'm poofed out...



Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
Ramshack Z wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
You really think this game is worth $132 for a year?


The act of subscribing is paying at least $132 a year, whether that's in cash or equivalent farming for someone else who paid cash in order to generate the PLEX you used is irrelevant.

I think the better question is why anyone who has to farm it out bothers when $132 a year is only 18.2 hours of work at the US minimum wage.



That is quite a narrow view. Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.


So? Tough luck for them...
Mechoj Nomreps e
Fat Dragon Pirate Co.
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#57 - 2015-07-03 14:05:14 UTC
Ramshack Z wrote:
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
That is quite a narrow view.

Actually, in a very objective sense, it's the most panoramic view possible. What's myopic is the assumption that, effectively, "working," for others in-game, through the PLEX exchange, is the best most players can do in terms of how they acquire their game time.

Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:

Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.

Most people on earth, my extended family included, live in China and are well below the first world poverty line. They're not the intended market for the game we're playing right now. They have their own server. As I understand it, "most people," who play on TQ are actually middle-aged first-world men.

The game not being fun is an issue aside for you to debate, but if you're going to argue that most first-world adult males are unable to acquire the cash to fund a single EVE subscription I think we can safely discard your opinion.


As you were quoting my texts I shall reply.

First of all I never said most people. Second, where does it say this game is intended for first world white males? That would mean that a big part of the players in Russia, Eastern Europe and the Balkans should leave?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#58 - 2015-07-03 14:20:06 UTC
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
Ramshack Z wrote:
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
That is quite a narrow view.

Actually, in a very objective sense, it's the most panoramic view possible. What's myopic is the assumption that, effectively, "working," for others in-game, through the PLEX exchange, is the best most players can do in terms of how they acquire their game time.

Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:

Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.

Most people on earth, my extended family included, live in China and are well below the first world poverty line. They're not the intended market for the game we're playing right now. They have their own server. As I understand it, "most people," who play on TQ are actually middle-aged first-world men.

The game not being fun is an issue aside for you to debate, but if you're going to argue that most first-world adult males are unable to acquire the cash to fund a single EVE subscription I think we can safely discard your opinion.


As you were quoting my texts I shall reply.

First of all I never said most people. Second, where does it say this game is intended for first world white males? That would mean that a big part of the players in Russia, Eastern Europe and the Balkans should leave?


If the 15 dollar subscription fee is 5% of their monthly income, they shouldn't be playing "1st world" video games in the 1st place, no matter where they live. Hell, they should probably be trying to emigrate somewhere instead of wasting time playing EVE.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2015-07-03 14:30:06 UTC
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
That would mean that a big part of the players in Russia, Eastern Europe and the Balkans should leave?
Yes, that would be a huge loss... RollRollRoll Stop teasing...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2015-07-03 14:31:01 UTC
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
Ramshack Z wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
You really think this game is worth $132 for a year?


The act of subscribing is paying at least $132 a year, whether that's in cash or equivalent farming for someone else who paid cash in order to generate the PLEX you used is irrelevant.

I think the better question is why anyone who has to farm it out bothers when $132 a year is only 18.2 hours of work at the US minimum wage.



That is quite a narrow view. Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.


If you can't afford a service/product, you don't consume it.

How damn hard is this to understand?

I blame all the game/music pirating for this because now people expect to get **** for free just because they got used to it.