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Providence Report

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#1 - 2015-07-02 13:19:57 UTC
This map of Providence used to have an orange spot in almost every pocket and pipe, quite a few were red.
As you can see, most of Catch is also not being used.

NC. dropped SOV and deployed to Low Sec.
-A- aren't even trying to raise indexes.
PL moved PH out of Catch.
Provi Bloc have tried to raise indexes and already given up, focusing on pockets, across the board indexes are in decline.

Volt is pushing recruitment to try fill up Catch and get those indexes up this year but as you can see, despite that numbers and corporations are dropping.
CVA who absorbed Forth District (the lump you can see in the graph) are advertising all over, including paid for adverts on EVE news sites but they are only managing to remain mostly stable, which is the least to be expected of a solid and old membership.

One exception is GFA who have gained new membership and SOV, so I guess the novelty hasn't worn off yet.
Elemental Tide does not reflect the same enthusiasm over their new SOV as GFA does.

Core has mentioned a few times that, "Fozzie SOV is designed and aimed at making the rest of Null Sec more like Providence" or "Fozzie SOV is modelled on Provi"

... and yet, before it is released, I am hunting for worm holes to High Sec furiously in order to help people, who are moving their stuff out.

The current attitude is, "We will fight Goons and play some Fozzie SOV but long term it looks like a terrible system. So, we are moving stuff to High Sec (banking) and Low Sec (for staging)"
From that, it looks like we are going to let people take the SOV then we will grief them until they leave.

Taking or defending SOV is going to be horrible.
There will be a lot more fight initially until it becomes annoying. Then it will become a bit like AFK cloakies online, with scouts spread out and magic wands being whipped out and waved at the structures when activity is low. Force people to form up, come running and then just cycle down and cloak up again. (... or if intel looks good then just hot drop / blops the defenders).
Over and over, until they give up.

Griefing is the best way forward in the coming system.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-07-02 13:40:36 UTC
It's called indices. Please!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#3 - 2015-07-02 13:51:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Griefing is the best way forward in the coming system.

So, CCP brings sov null in line with the rest of EVE?

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#4 - 2015-07-02 13:56:18 UTC
^

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#5 - 2015-07-02 14:08:48 UTC
Griefing is not allowed in eve online.

Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Jenshae Chiroptera
#6 - 2015-07-02 14:12:05 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Griefing is not allowed in eve online.
Pendant, swop in the euphemism, "trolling" or "roleplaying" or "guerrilla tactics".
What ever thin veil CODE is more comfortable with and use lately.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#7 - 2015-07-02 14:40:18 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
Griefing is not allowed in eve online.
Pendant, swop in the euphemism, "trolling" or "roleplaying" or "guerrilla tactics".
What ever thin veil CODE is more comfortable with and use lately.


We prefer "winning."

Please make a note of it.

Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2015-07-02 14:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
1823, Earth:

Did you ever hear of Chicken Little, how she disturbed a whole neighbourhood by her foolish alarm?

Well, Chicken Little was running about in a gentlemen's garden, where she had no business to be: she ran under a rose bush, and a leaf fell on her tale: so she was dreadfully frightened and ran away to Hen Pen.

...
...
The sky never did fall in.

YC117, New Eden:

Did you ever hear of Jenshae Chiroptera, how she disturbed a whole Region by her foolish alarm?

Well, Jenshae Chiroptera was running about in Providence...

...
...
The sky may not be falling.

On a more serious note, have you ever stopped to think that your own negativity also affects those around you? That it's possible that you know so many trying to escape doom because you promote the coming doom so actively. You do it here in the forum, so it seems logical that your message would be consistent all around.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#9 - 2015-07-02 14:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Scipio Artelius wrote:
The sky may not be falling..
Roll
This thread is here for the wider EVE population and CCP.
There are far, far, more effective ways to scare carebears in Provi.

It is reflected by data.
Did it upset you that I have links this time so you can't go on about one person's perspective ad nauseum?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Kestral Anneto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-07-02 14:49:33 UTC
Fozzie sov is a terrible idea, but, like with most game companies, they pick up an idea and run with it.
A system where you (corp, alliance, whatever) gains sov through actually living in the system, ratting mining building stuff, pvp etc etc, would have been a better system.
Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#11 - 2015-07-02 14:53:11 UTC
Kestral Anneto wrote:
.. Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this.
I agree with the intention of Fozzie SOV.
Yes, a system that works on activity in some way is better than having a system defend itself for the most part.

However, the implementation ... the approach ... ugh.
... and there is a more organic way of toppling the huge alliances by empowering others to grow to that size.

Currently, the huge coalitions have crowded everyone out. They have masses of supers and Titans (which can still blob win the grid) and they often destroy any new ones being made. Provi has aborted many baby supers because of this.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#12 - 2015-07-02 14:53:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

Did it upset you that I have links this time so you can't go on about one person's perspective ad nauseum?

Yes totally. I'm crying here because Eve is dying.

Actually, I didn't click any of the links. The message is boring and old. Rehash after rehash of the impending doom.

You might well be right. It's far from a foregone conclusion though and the constant use of the term griefing is ridiculous. People playing the game is not griefing.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#13 - 2015-07-02 15:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Yes totally. I'm crying here because Eve is dying..
Wrong.
This is saying that Provi people are moving out and doing other things. (... or planning to do so when they tire of playing the new system for a little while)
Many are moving into worm holes or going to go do High Sec Incursions.

The message is that the people this is modelled on have no faith in it and are adapting in other directions.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#14 - 2015-07-02 15:06:33 UTC
Kestral Anneto wrote:

Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this.



"Sovless Sov" was , according to Fozzie, the other thing on the table against this new sov system. They should have run with that.
DeadDuck
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2015-07-02 15:08:57 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
This is saying that Provi people are moving out and doing other things.
Many are moving into worm holes or going to go do High Sec Incursions.

The message is that the people this is modelled on have no faith in it and are adapting in other directions.


But ...but... I live in Providence... should I be moving out ? EQ told me that when the time comes he will be the 1st yelling EVAC in alliance chat in major letters. Did he lie to us ? Did he already move to a WH ? I think I saw him yesterday in a hauler...

Please enlight me... should I contract my stuff to you already ?

I'm always the last to know these things . Cry
Jenshae Chiroptera
#16 - 2015-07-02 15:11:51 UTC
DeadDuck wrote:
Please enlight me... should I contract my stuff to you already ?
Evac is reactive.
Proactive people are preparing contingencies.
My PVP ships are in Provi and will stay there, so too will this main character for the foreseeable future. However, I am starting to play an alt more and more.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#17 - 2015-07-02 15:14:01 UTC
DeadDuck wrote:
I'm always the last to know these things . Cry


That's because you're reading words that aren't there. "All" in this case. Maybe you're missing them in other circumstances?

Just messing with ya. I'm sure you'll be ok :)

SFR SaFeRa
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-07-02 15:15:16 UTC
At least in the particular constellation of provo in which I live, we are working hard to raise up indices. Don't know where you're getting your info.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#19 - 2015-07-02 15:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
SFR SaFeRa wrote:
At least in the particular constellation of provo in which I live, we are working hard to raise up indices. Don't know where you're getting your info.
Links in original post.

QBL pocket is doing well. The rest had a surge then declined.
It is a mammoth task that can not be sustained long term by even the most densely populated Null Sec region.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#20 - 2015-07-02 15:34:49 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kestral Anneto wrote:

Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this.



"Sovless Sov" was , according to Fozzie, the other thing on the table against this new sov system. They should have run with that.


SOV, what is sov?

This should have been the games design in the first place nullsec is supposed to be about contention but instead its one battle a year so CCP can put it in their advertizing and it keeps CCP right where nullsec wants it and that is kissing nullsec's big blue ass.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

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