Player Features and Ideas Discussion

it will also increase the number of high volume purchases.

I can point you to any number of ALODs of untanked haulers, interceptors, CovOps, or frigates that thought their speed, cloaking, align time, etc. would save them from being ganked. Some make it. Some don't. Now due to the value of the shares (typically at least 1000isk/share) means every 1000 share will be a million isk. It won't take but a few thousand shares to drop to pay for a cheap gank thrasher, catalyst, or Vexor, etc. So I am not worried at all about the profitability and gank-ability of share carrying ships.

I think 10k shares to an m3 would be fine. 1 mil shares would fit in 100m3. Idk how many people want to jam 1 bil isk worth of shares into a ceptor, but if they do I can't wait to read the ALOD.

I still have not seen any compelling argument other than "I want tradable LP" which suggests that someone has lots of LP from a corp that competes with a FW store and is undervalued.

No downsides, hm?

• It adds an additional layer of management to the purchase of LP store items. Right now you simply click a button and have the items. Then, you need to make sure to have the shares in an by the LP store accessible hangar, which means potentially you need to move them out of storage cans where you stowed them away so that they do not clutter your hangar. You even potentially need to stow them away in the first place as they are yet another item cluttering your hangar and in order to guarantee safety and not fall for scams. So: added circuitousness and less convenience of use.
• It adds as well additional effort for comparing prices so that you do not buy shares on the market while existing BPC on the contracts/modules/ships on the market are cheaper. Even more comparison and calculation effort for no gains and just more risk for the sake of more risk.
• It adds more items people can manipulate just for the sake of it. These share prices would be easy to warp and manipulate, especially of lesser used corps or to coffer in market manipulation profits. Something you listed as upside is a downside at the same time. At the same time, it adds volatility to the market where no volatility is direly necessary. What this creates is just another easy to game system.
• More ALODs are downsides as well. Just because some people only want to blow up stuff does not remove the fact that there is someone on the receiving end as well, for whom your upside is certainly not so fabulous.

In total: More effort, more risk, more vulnerability to system gaming, more volatility, more manipulation for no gains.

ill just copy this here and let you read your own words.

And as i menrioned in the final accounting nothing positive comes from it, it is just the current system with added headache and zero upside.

Actually. now that i think about it the value of lp a cross eve is not a constant. I make my lp at a highsec station and have limited value options of things i can buy with it. If you implement this system why risk nullsec lp work when you get equal value lp doing stuff in highsec?

i can spare you the anticipation of whether CCP will even sorta entertain this idea, they will not.

I don't see a reason to not adding this feature. For one main reason.

It creates more middle men, more middle men, means more niched jobs, means more roles for people to fill, means more things people can do, means, more places people can get their foot hold in, and start climbing the wall that we call Eve's learning curve.

None of those are compelling reasons and most of them are just trying to appeal to the gank crowd saying that if you support this and it gets implemented there will be more gank targets.
You have provided no example to support this from someone who currently converts LPs to isk from the LP store.

After a nice relaxing weekend on the beach y'all were nice enough to post some replies!


I think CCP would love this idea. That's why I posted it. The reason why you would earn your LP in nullsec is you can't earn many types of nullsec LP in highsec. There aren't level 4 pirate missions in highsec AFAIK (Aside from SoE). So that LP will be very valuable. If the risk isn't worth the rewards (I am sure it will be. Harder and riskier things to get are typically more valuable) then move on to something that is until the price recovers.

The value of LP is not supposed to be constant. Some LP will be more valuable than others. That is why the player set exchange rates are so important.


I assure you that there is a volume of shares in which you can haul many of them and their size will be far larger than the exchanged share size of implants or modules. They should be harder to haul than modules, but not an unholy pain.

There is nothing stopping players from selling their shares at a price that is worth their time. If they don't like the market price they can sell them higher or exchange them for items that give them the isk/share they want.

I agree that if CCP implements this they should implement a share tax for corporations. I know it would go a long way to helping FW groups.

You can scam with LP items. You can also scam with share items. Or shares themselves. Nothing stopping you from giving someone a choice to make that has consequences they might not like.

I can think up dozens of new avenues this gives players to create their own story in Eve. This would be a very valuable addition to Eve is it increases the choices and consequences and brings one of the last segments of the economy to the free market.


Well said.


I probably will never manipulate shares. it sounds like far too much work for me. I make my isk in easier ways. But if someone desires to put in the time and effort to manipulate share then I am eager to give them the opportunity. I hope they are handsomely rewarded and they tell their story to people someday. That is Eve in a nutshell.


Look: you can get ganked now hauling your faction items. This won't change much for ganks. If people haul more than they should they will get ganked. That Eve. This isn't designed to raise the number of gankable targets. It's designed to remove barriers and increase the free market of Eve.

I am a person who has in the past converted LP to isk through the LP store. I have also bought LP through items from others. I would prefer dealing with shares. It's hard to find people who have the millions of LP to covert to items I wanted to buy. It's not always easy to sell my LP that I converted to items because I don't want to baby sit orders in Jita. This is an ease of use option. If you don't like it you don't have to use it.

my issue here is that right now when i grind for big items, i am NOT competing with players grinding for small items. But by making LP sales all the same and near infinitely dividable you must compete at the share price level for both big items and small.

For example, right now i can grind for a few hours and get a +4 implant, and then put that on the market at a crap margin (because the time/work investment is small and everyone can do it). Or, i can grind for days, maybe a couple weeks, and get a epsilon pirate implant with a much higher margin (because there are less people putting this time commitment in).

With your proposal the players who are investing small amounts of time will be forcing down the price of shares, and with them the price of the LP items. And thats ALL LP items, including the ones that used to require large time investments.



I dont think it actually increases many choices. Aside from allowing players to share LP between alts, i think it merely changes the existing options by making LP more liquid.

You cannot possibly be suggesting that loyalty points in their current form represent anything resembling "loyalty."

Because that would be laughable.