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What will happen with the Assault Frigates?

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Thulium Strauss
PODKA
#1 - 2015-06-30 18:53:07 UTC
Hello,





Lately, I have seen a reduction of Assault Frigates on the Battlefield (PVP). I could be wrong, but the cause of it is mainly due the launch of T3 Destroyers. My question is: what will happen with Assault Frigates? I am exaggerating? I do not know, please give me a feedback. Thanks.




Best Regards,








Thulium Strauss
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2015-06-30 18:55:43 UTC
I'm not sure, but immunity to neuts could be interesting but probably OP.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#3 - 2015-06-30 21:24:10 UTC
Could just be me but everytime a shipclass gets a makeover or a change, they see more usage. It is almost unexpected that a new shipclass get more attention when they are affordable to a large playerbase.

It doesn't mean other shipclasses or bad, the new thing are usually always better, shinier until the next new thing but I agree Assault Ships need a little love.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#4 - 2015-06-30 23:14:22 UTC
Probably in the meantime, pve. Still good for missions, ratting, combat sites. T3's, it's not just new attention, they are just OP factoring in cheap hulls and high insurance payouts for the amount of damage they deal and deflect. I would hope that CCP adjust things at some point. I rarely cry nerf, but... it is a new ship so there must be some balance phase coming. I wouldn't mind seeing a buff to AF's, but then again they were rather nice before all this, so buffing them may just add to further systemic dissemblance.

Or may I suggest T3 AF's? Big smile
hmmm.... since they are already like T1 mini-cruisers, that would make them T2 mini-cruisers. Like a mini-falcon or whatnot, something good for bomber support and cov-op fleets etc. EWAR, agility, cloakies, small weapon, multi mode, but in a smaller package. At least one empires version of them (Caldari of course).

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-07-01 00:29:55 UTC
Pretty sure Assault frigs are already on CCPs radar for another rebalance pass.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#6 - 2015-07-01 00:44:48 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
Pretty sure Assault frigs are already on CCPs radar for another rebalance pass.

I haven't heard of it, do you possibly have a reference, or general memory of where they mentioned that? I may have just overlooked it. As far as subcaps, the only thing I've heard recently (from o7 show last month) is regarding black ops something something we may look into it one day needs work etc.

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-07-01 00:47:44 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
Pretty sure Assault frigs are already on CCPs radar for another rebalance pass.

I haven't heard of it, do you possibly have a reference, or general memory of where they mentioned that? I may have just overlooked it. As far as subcaps, the only thing I've heard recently (from o7 show last month) is regarding black ops something something we may look into it one day needs work etc.


it was mentioned somewhere it may have been one of the blogs back near the svipul release. but i couldn't point you in the right direction. It's mostly something i recall hearing/reading and i am about 80% sure it was from one of the Devs.

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Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-07-01 01:18:01 UTC
Give AF the succubus treatment, give them massive AB bonuses.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#9 - 2015-07-01 03:54:07 UTC
Rat Scout wrote:
Give AF the succubus treatment, give them massive AB bonuses.


This would make them insane TBH. Small sig, excellent resists and almost MWD speed with an AB would make them insanely hard to kill.

Harpy fleets would be godmode.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2015-07-01 03:59:19 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Rat Scout wrote:
Give AF the succubus treatment, give them massive AB bonuses.


This would make them insane TBH. Small sig, excellent resists and almost MWD speed with an AB would make them insanely hard to kill.

Harpy fleets would be godmode.


They tried that on Sisi. It was part of the first pass at AF rebalancing. As predicted, they were indeed insane. Never made the cut in Dominion.
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-07-01 06:37:36 UTC
I was not around that time, been on and off eve since the early days.

Maybe 15% bonus per AF skill level is too much, surely there could be a sweet spot where they are good but not completly broken?!

5% bonus to AB speed / AF lvl

role Bonus:

-50% optimal/tracking to small combat drones engaging the AF
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-07-01 07:24:12 UTC
Rat Scout wrote:
Give AF the succubus treatment, give them massive AB bonuses.

And then throw Succubus out of the window.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#13 - 2015-07-01 07:33:31 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
They tried that on Sisi. It was part of the first pass at AF rebalancing. As predicted, they were indeed insane. Never made the cut in Dominion.

Importantly it had a very lopsided effect - the "good" AFs gained vastly more from it than the weaker ones.
This is of course an issue with almost any class-wide modification - some will feel greater benefit than others.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2015-07-01 08:06:31 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Rat Scout wrote:
Give AF the succubus treatment, give them massive AB bonuses.


This would make them insane TBH. Small sig, excellent resists and almost MWD speed with an AB would make them insanely hard to kill.

Harpy fleets would be godmode.


They tried that on Sisi. It was part of the first pass at AF rebalancing. As predicted, they were indeed insane. Never made the cut in Dominion.

Oooooohhh I like the sound of that.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-07-01 08:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: afkalt
So one of my harpy fits does this:

2218 m/s cold (3162m/s hot)
139 sig before links
287 DPS cold (331 hot)
Burst tank of 320 DPS cold (415 hot)
Scram.


I don't really see what you can give this little hull without breaking it. And by breaking, I mean making it hilariously overpowered.


Edit: I suppose if you wanted to give them something unique/niche then you could give them reload reduction on cap rechargers and/or ancil reppers. Make them little monsters for active tanking. Mind you.......see above...
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-07-01 10:25:34 UTC
afkalt wrote:
So one of my harpy fits does this:

2218 m/s cold (3162m/s hot)
139 sig before links
287 DPS cold (331 hot)
Burst tank of 320 DPS cold (415 hot)
Scram.


I don't really see what you can give this little hull without breaking it. And by breaking, I mean making it hilariously overpowered.


Edit: I suppose if you wanted to give them something unique/niche then you could give them reload reduction on cap rechargers and/or ancil reppers. Make them little monsters for active tanking. Mind you.......see above...

Yeah im thinking the ishkur would have the same issue, it's already a nightmare for anything bigger than it once it's under the guns.

Though our old 300dps fit doesn't do 300dps anymore because of the small hybrid tweets which makes me very sad.
I'd like to have that back if possible.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-07-01 12:51:11 UTC
Rat Scout wrote:
Give AF the succubus treatment, give them massive AB bonuses.


Is that Succubus any good?
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2015-07-01 13:07:21 UTC
I've flown Assault Frigates a bit. I think they are in a great place. I just think D3's need to be deleted.

However, since that will never happen, they need an SP loss like their cruiser cousins. 100% of their associated tactical destroyer skill SP.

I've yet to fly against one, but I have a problem with CCP adding new and undertested toys to their sandbox when they haven't even finished fixing up and organizing the stuff that's in. Introducing new crazy things into the mix just confuses and obscures work already done. They should have finished the ship and module tweaks.

I find it funny that CCP rams through ideas like D3's that would have been (and have been) repeatedly shot down by the regulars in F&I when other people bring them up. Shout outs like, "This is too OP" and "What role does this fill? You haven't thought this through - go back to square one and find a role for [vehicle xyz] that doesn't infringe upon other ships"...and the sort, dominate that forum. And I'm glad we have a dedicated playerbase so ready and eager to play as peer review to ideas like that and shoot them down before they gain traction. I just wish CCP would learn and humble themselves before it.
Mark Hadden
Xynodyne
The Initiative.
#19 - 2015-07-01 14:13:10 UTC
nothing, unless CCP decides to bring T3 dessys in line with the other dessys.
I dont think they will continue with powercreep, this would be a fatal decision at least.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#20 - 2015-07-01 14:32:47 UTC
afkalt wrote:
So one of my harpy fits does this:

2218 m/s cold (3162m/s hot)
139 sig before links
287 DPS cold (331 hot)
Burst tank of 320 DPS cold (415 hot)
Scram.


I don't really see what you can give this little hull without breaking it. And by breaking, I mean making it hilariously overpowered.


Edit: I suppose if you wanted to give them something unique/niche then you could give them reload reduction on cap rechargers and/or ancil reppers. Make them little monsters for active tanking. Mind you.......see above...


Nothing in this direction of course, since the firepower of assault ships is already very good. So my suggestion would be some capacitor tweaks, so a long point and your mwd doesn't cap you out in 12 seconds anymore.
I know that the Retribution and the Enyo may want to use an ancillery rep for all the 8 burst cycles it has and not 3 - game over.

And maybe a tiny base speed change for some (as in 'not all') of them. I think that will do it already.

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