Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Alright. Part of this is that CCP will need to spend time throughout their module tiericide to add new and unique faction items and skins to the LP stores. There is simply going to be no stabilizing force like valuable items in the store. It will take a fair bit of work for CCP to create and add enough useful items. I have no doubt that they can do it.

Aliventi's idea is god damb brilliant. Apart from increasing liquidity in the "LP" market, it also introduces significant gameplay opportunities for arbitrage and trading - a long neglected sector of the playerbase.

There are also some obvious game design 'easy wins' implicit in the principle, like driving group activity towards a common goal, allowing corp taxation of mission income and adding very large ticket items to the loyalty stores.

I hate market traders. They are the only capsuleers that you cannot shoot for what they are doing.

... Im not commercially aware, but for the sakes of furthering the discussion

how is this different from the current LP, excluding the ability to transfer LP ownership (trading).

LP value is already established and manipulated by players. Because there are plenty of items that are shared between LP stores, the value of one corps LP can rise and fall as the saturation of other corps LP goes up or down (for ex. FW LP affecting the LP/isk ratio of other stores by saturating the market with common items).

You already do that with LP, sure you commit assets in some cases (liquid isk and/or items of value, like preceding or meta module variants), but generally its exactly what you do with LP.


So all this does is take out a step - under the current system to convert LP into ISK you must resell the items. With the new step you directly sell the new LP (like you said its just a number with a name, vouchers/shares wouldn't be any different, whether they are an item or not, the only difference remains is that they are tradable). Specifically, it reduces the steps taken for the mission runner/LP obtainer, and the person at the end of the transaction actually gains a step? I mean he now has to actually take the LP he bought and go to the store and buy his faction items there.


I see that's it's more complicated actually.

Manipulating the value of whatever a corp spews out as mission/loyalty reward is already possible, either by directly affecting LP value through activities relating to other corps, or by manipulating the price of the items.

So, TL;DR - this is just tradable LP?

In either case I do not see the motivation to trade stock. Seems like a nuisance when going to back to the number of steps changed. All I see is it's going to be easier to jump on the bandwagon of a corps high value (not actually having to do missions to do obtain vouchers, just buying low in the market, trading for faction items, selling high). So, more opportunities to make money by exploiting other peoples laziness, specifically, people who can't be arsed to go through the step of finding out which items are better to trade. With this possibility opening up because of the possibility to just cash in on demand. At best.

when you crack all the mirriors and blow away the smoke all this does is take a straightforward game mechanic and make it obtuse.

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Which means CONGRATULATIONS!

CCP lives for this kind of obtuse crap so i fully expect them to implement it in the next week or so.

Simply because you assert your 'answer' does not make someone else's opinion that LP should remain character bound and remain a loyalty item invalid
It is equally correct for LP to not be trade-able because they do represent loyalty rewards for a particular person rather than shares.

Not to mention calling them shares would be a misnomer as shares indicate a say in what a company does, not the ability to buy specialised products.

All in all, I like LP exactly as they are now in mechanics. I might wish that LP weren't so strictly corp bound but more directly associated with factions, so you work for a Caldari corp, you get Caldari LP that you may then spend on any Caldari Corp that you have good standings with, so you get the combination effect of Loyalty to Caldari combined with standings with the corp. But that is simply to avoid micromanaging or always grinding the same agent.

My usual response to any LP/loyalty trading:

They are loyalty points for service to a given corp, using the LP brings faction items into the game. If you end up with odd loyalty points hey ho, that's how it goes.

They only change I would support is to bring in 'Letter of Recommendation' type transactions where LP in a corp can be pushed upwards to the overall faction level. This allows aggregation of the random small LP but still only allows them to be used to bring faction gear into the game.

Well I enjoy the RPG side of the game as much as the gameplay so to me the lore involved *is* a useful part of the game. I like the fact that it is based on loyalty to a given corp and that it is not transferable on that basis. So pointing out that I'm fine with the name and mechanic on the RPG basis is valid rather than being pedantic.

You'll also notice that second paragraph is actually a suggestion to help with the regular complaint about having dribs and drabs of LP lay around.

ED: I'm also against being able to trade LP as I've previously stated in many other threads. Changing LP to share vouchers doesn't mean suddenly I'm fine with trading LP under a different name.

An overhaul of the LP store probably is overdue. I like the current mechanic and think that trading LP would be bad. It would allow someone to simply trade all their LP to whichever station faction is closest so that they can buy stuff there. Less pilots in space and more simplification for no reason (at least people have to travel somewhere to go redeem their LP).

It would also allow FW folks to farm on whatever is the best LP source currently and freely trade them for whatever item they want. This would allow (as an extreme example) Diana Kim to farm LP in Caldari space but trade it all for Gallente stuff because it sells better. It makes no sense.

I'd prefer more of the items in the LP stores to be available as BPC's too to boost industry and PI. Keep the finished items too maybe but balance it so that the BPC will earn you more profit per run but requires more effort/indy skills.

OK so this just means LP=ISK. This would allow someone like Diana Kim to sell a ton of caldari navy (or whatever) LP and then buy a load of gallente LP.

This seems to be geared towards making it easy to convert LP to isk but this effects the cost of faction items and the trade system. It also means pilots no longer need to go to stations and convert LP into items and then go to another station to sell those items on the market. Taking people out of space, especially people carrying lootable goodies seems counter-EvE.