Player Features and Ideas Discussion

FAQ:
Q: But LP are a reward for Loyalty! The idea is that only those loyal to the corporation can get their faction items.
A: LP is not a reward for loyalty. LP is a number with a name. If LP were a reward for loyalty your gameplay would change as the amount of LP you had earned went up. In other words, the more LP you earn the more benefits or bonuses you would unlock. You see the loyalty benefit you get comes in standings. Standings lower taxes, mineral refinery taxes, and if you get them high enough will give you faction ship BPCs. Standings are a reward for loyalty. LPs are not.

Q: LP are already an isk sink. How will this increase the isk sink?
A: Great question! By simply adding shares to the market the increase in transaction taxes will be in increased isk sink. I know I have several hundred thousand LP stored, unused, in my wallet in game. I imagine there are hundreds of millions (or even billions) of LP stored, unused, in wallets across New Eden. Shares will only be an isk sink if redeemed or put on the market. By allowing shares to be market tradeable we increase the probability of those shares leaving wallets and becoming an isk sink. That will be a net increase in isk sinks.

Q: you mentioned the idea of a player set exchange rate. How does that work?
A: You get a share. That share sells for 1500 isk. You sell that share and buy a share that costs 1200 isk. You just traded your share for 1.25 of the other share. As prices fluctuate the exchange rate will also change. The important thing is we set the exchange rate, not CCP.

Q: This is redundant. Anything that can be purchased with LP can already be purchased on the market.
A: Yes, you can buy most every item off the market. That doesn't mean that every play style likes buying the items off the market. Some people have no interest in grinding out missions to earn Shares. Market traders would rather market trade than grind missions. An industrialist who has no PvE skills would rather buy CONCORD Shares off the market, trade the shares in for meta capital module BPCs, and make and sell those modules. There are even mission runners who would rather sell the Shares than buy a bunch items, babysit the market orders, and finally buy what they need after the items sell. By changing LP into shares it allows people easier access to the parts of the game they want to play in, while eliminating a part they may have zero interest in.

Redundant. Anything that can be purchased with LP can already be purchased on the market.

No to trading LPs they are called Loyalty for a reason.

No to trading LPs they are called Loyalty for a reason.

Lore =! gameplay.
Loyalty in FW makes sense. Loyalty to some navies makes sense. But loyalty to Genolution corp? wat?

all of this is already done with LP


how

you mean i can now put all my lp from all my alts onto one character making it easier for me to grind LP?

players already decide how much an LP is worth based on the items you can get with the LP.

what about the dev time needed to implement
or how i can now run missions with as many alts as i wish and get to put all the lp onto one character?

Loyalty Points are just a form of currency - they are company scrip. Just like coal companies used to pay coal miners, with the intent of keeping them dependent on the coal company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip

The idea makes perfect sense from the point of view of the Corporations and from CCP as a developer. Accept that, and move on.

I had to get rid of all your quotes. The forums were throwing a fit. I will answer your questions in order:

None of those things truly appear in game. In order to buy or sell LP in-game you have a trust based system of the seller purcahsing the item from the store, then contracting it to the buyer. While this works, I can't physically own that LP. I can't go and buy 50k LP from 6 players and the purchase a 300k LP item. I have to find someone that already has 300k LP and is willing to sell. While yes there is a way, is is a very inefficient way that will be vastly improved upon by shares.

I don't quite understand how moving LP from one character to another makes grinding LP easier. The transfer of LP should have no affect on the ease of grinding LP.

Players only kind of decide how much an LP is worth. Right now the way it works is players buy items that make their LP have a price. For example if you buy X implant it will give the LP you spent Y value. You didn't really dictate the price. You had a price in mind, the item valued your LP higher than that price, therefore you bought it. I couldn't quote you a price for any of the LP in game because there isn't a Eve wide, or region wide, value for that LP. I could only give you a ball park. I can't tell you CONCORD LP is worth 1267.98 isk/LP. I could tell you it is between 1100-1300 isk/LP. That exactness is what Shares on the market will give us.

Dev time isn't a negative. Dev time will always be spent. TBH this shouldn't take terribly long to implement.

There is nothing wrong with you running missions on 25 characters and shifting the LP to a single character. No LP was created or destroyed.

Absolutely not. I refuse to accept that this is the best way to handle additional mission rewards that create an isk sink. The benefits of the Share system are incredible when compared to the LP system. It opens up dozens of avenues for players to expand their gameplay potential. It makes the Eve economy that much more efficient. It will also increase isk sinks in game. It is nothing but a win for Eve.



I predict the exact opposite will happen. Right now I have little doubt that there are billions of LP stored in wallets all over Eve. All of that sat on LP will depress prices until it consumed. On top of that the buying and selling of Shares will likely lower the price of each Share because the market will find an equilibrium between supply and demand. If too many shares are produced prices will fall. If too few shares are produced then the price will rise and missions runners will likely shift to those missions because they pay out more. Which in turn will create more shares and lower the share price. I doubt faction item prices will rise. Usually when the free markets get their fingers in something prices fall.


Shares will grant you this ability. Trade those last few share vouchers for physical shares, sell the physical shares. You win.

Back to the OP though.

Cautiously support this change, as it would nuke my own assets if it was implemented without other changes to give CONCORD vouchers something valuable inside the concord store and the ability to convert removed.