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[PRESS] Odo Korachi issues demands; IKAME petitions for assistance

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2015-06-26 20:57:33 UTC
'Heavy Handed'? This goes way past that, I haven't seen such huge bounties before, surely arrest warrants and search warrants would have made more sense. Any loss of life here will be on CONCORD's hands, it is they who are threatening violence and inciting others to the same.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#82 - 2015-06-26 20:57:33 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.

I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.

-K

As I said, i will stand by my comrade's side. What are you going to do?
Anslo
Scope Works
#83 - 2015-06-26 20:57:43 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.

I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.

-K

I'm sorry but it's hard to justify working with a bunch of vindictive thugs when they condemn everyone for the bullheaded actions of a single idiot.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Euttere Geten
Doomheim
#84 - 2015-06-26 21:08:02 UTC
Yeah, this reeks, worse than that last legal shadowplay CONCORD tried to sell.

Maybe they're overly defensive due to Tyrannos incursion, which they have let go on unabated I might add, but heightened security is no excuse for this little tantrum. An organization that touts the rule of law shouldn't resort to bloodsport as a means of recourse: that's not justice but petty revenge. An organization that touts security shouldn't attempt to stimie and smother scientific inquiry, particularly one with potential implications for the whole cluster. If they had said that they wished to corroborate scientific findings and asked for materials, perhaps these citizens would be more cooperative.

They've ignored signatory law, endangered the public welfare, and were quick to employ threat of violence as the means to a questionable end. I will not comply with their directive, and to the best of my ability, will provide logistical aid to any member of a corporation so threatened, particularly those who have had no involvement in the acquisition of Dr. Tukoss' remains.

I invite CONCORD to either provide substantive justification for this show of bravado, not just some terse subparagraph of a soulless document, or openly breach Tribal law in the attempt to stop me.
H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#85 - 2015-06-26 21:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: H1de0
John Revenent wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage?


We are cooperating with CONCORD and the DED lawful requests. Capsuleers are in no position to dictate terms to the CONCORD assembly.


Indeed we are in no position to dictate terms to either DED or CONCORD assembly, but we have every right to defend ourselves from false accusations and overuse of any intergalactic body's authority.

Decrypting the Sleeper cache..

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#86 - 2015-06-26 21:21:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
Disheartening.

Disheartening and disappointing.

Until this point, I had ordered corporate silence in relation to this matter within Liberty Vanguard, waiting to see if a more reasonable approach would be taken by the involved parties. The time for waiting, it seems, has ended.

Liberty Vanguard, while a proponent of lawful oversight and a supporter of the due process of law and exercise of jurisdiction, cannot sit idly by while this blatant abuse of power and unjust persecution of individuals proceeds in spite of the intended cooperation of the involved individuals to the best of their abilities.

In light of this, Liberty Vanguard publicly petitions CONCORD to:

(a) reconsider the course of action it has chosen in prosecuting action against individual(s) by association regardless of their independent cooperation to the best of their ability and resources

(b) restore the good standing of the aforementioned prosecuted individual(s) in lieu of their intended cooperation

(c) demonstrate the ability to prosecute interstellar law and exercise jurisprudence with discretion and in the spirit of justice by focusing its intent on the lawful acquisition of the demanded resources and the prosecution solely of those individual(s) who seek to impede this acquisition

It is with remorse but without hesitation that I personally add, if CONCORD wishes to persist in this flagrant abuse of power and disregard for the spirit of justice, you may as well adjust my standings as well.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#87 - 2015-06-26 21:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Vizage wrote:
I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.

Um ... we are talking about capsuleers and CONCORD, aren't we?

Considering the record on either side, and especially CONCORD's usual approach to punishing capsuleers ... wouldn't it be much more surprising if nobody died?

(I agree that it's maybe not a good idea to be defying CONCORD, but it's going to be pretty neat to see whether we can, and how far....)
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#88 - 2015-06-26 22:00:45 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.

I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.

-K

As I said, i will stand by my comrade's side. What are you going to do?


Not aggress DED warships and die futilely, I suspect. Nobody with significant Highsecurity interests will lift a finger - for obvious reasons. It's all very well for me to sit in low security space and offer support to my suuolen, but given the CEP's position, there's no way I'd lift a finger for strangers where it would likely get me obliterated!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#89 - 2015-06-26 22:01:57 UTC
Actually ...

If everyone concerned wanted to resolve the "bounty" issue with minimal loss of life....

Supposing all the bounty subjects, at a certain date and time, gather at a certain station (perhaps CONCORD HQ in Yulai?) in unmodified or minimally-modified clones, along with a volunteer corps of other outlaw capsuleers (whoever wanted to participate)?

At a certain time, all the targets, plus the random outlaw "chaff," undock and begin to make their way along a path of their own choosing through highsec towards a predetermined location. Any fast-locking capsuleers (prepared or otherwise) along the route get to take a crack at the passing swarm of capsules in hopes of catching one of the bounties. They'll be hard targets, but everyone has an issue with their navigation sooner or later.

A good time is had by all, bounties are cleared, justice, as envisioned by CONCORD, is done, and the resulting renegade capsuleer biomass can be returned to CONCORD HQ for either CONCORD's use as it sees fit or as protest material.

(Though might that last result in a Seeker feeding frenzy? Hm. ... that might make for a better protest, even, for those so inclined.)
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#90 - 2015-06-26 22:02:01 UTC
As CONCORD is the body responsible for the control of Capsuleers and their assets within High security space, we would suggest compliance.

Further refusal to acquiesce to General Korachi's request is likely to incur further penalties.

We Return.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.

Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#91 - 2015-06-26 22:20:34 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.

I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.

-K

As I said, i will stand by my comrade's side. What are you going to do?


I am going to do the only thing I can do. Implore both sides to see reason. But given CONCORDS rather brutish and ignorant flexing of power I very much doubt they are as willing to listen like my fellow capsuleers.

As I said, you're either wagering what they've said is a bluff, or ignoring the very real consequences it will have it they aren't. While I dearly hope for the former, I'm more inclined on belief of the latter.

Anslo wrote:

I'm sorry but it's hard to justify working with a bunch of vindictive thugs when they condemn everyone for the bullheaded actions of a single idiot.


It's not about working with them. CONCORD has made it clear they don't want to work with us, but rather simply comply with their demands.

That may be a hard pill to swallow, but I'd hope many of us would rather pay this fee with their pride rather than their crewmen.

Aria Jenneth wrote:

Um ... we are talking about capsuleers and CONCORD, aren't we?

Considering the record on either side, and especially CONCORD's usual approach to punishing capsuleers ... wouldn't it be much more surprising if nobody died?

(I agree that it's maybe not a good idea to be defying CONCORD, but it's going to be pretty neat to see whether we can, and how far....)


While not wrong Ms. Jenneth, it doesn't justify further loss, especially over what is essentially already a corpse.

Liam Antolliere wrote:
...if CONCORD wishes to persist in this flagrant abuse of power and disregard for the spirit of justice, you may as well adjust my standings as well.


Be careful what you wish for....
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#92 - 2015-06-26 22:38:32 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Be careful what you wish for....


Sage advice.

However, what I wish for is reason and a leveled approach to the situation, one that honors the pursuit and enforcement of justice while also respecting and honoring the spirit of the law as it pertains to individual action and cooperation.

If I get what I wish, then all of this will result in CONCORD turning its attention toward the legal acquisition of that which it pursues through the resources and channels available to it without the disregard for individual liberty and lack of recognition of their spirit of cooperation.

If I don't get what I wish, then I'll not back out of the way and let this injustice proceed without some manner of standing against it. What good is a conviction if you are unwilling to face the consequences for adhering to it?

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#93 - 2015-06-26 22:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Samira Kernher wrote:
Whether or not they are unjust is irrelevant. The only variable that determines PIE's stance is Amarr's stance, and the Court Chamberlain has made Amarr's stance clear. Perhaps some people place value in rioting against authority, but PIE does not. Order demands compliance with lawful authority, regardless of whatever personal reservations one may have with that authority.

House Raholan stands to lose its titles and land and their lord be declared a criminal by Imperial authorities. Should SFRIM continue to stand by Lucas Raholan, they will be demonstrating support for his actions. PIE will not have our own name dragged through the mud as a result of the scandalous activities of our affiliates. They either sever their support of anti-authoritarian activities or it is very likely that we sever our support of them. This should not be surprising.

"But guilt by association!" you will say. Well, yes. One's character is indeed determined by the company they keep.


Ms. Kernher,

I'm quite concerned with your blatant misrepresentation of both the Court Chamberlains words as well as SFRIM's actions in this matter.

The Court Chamberlain clearly criticized CONCORD for its heavy handed actions, which you frame one-sidedly as "solidarity with Concord in this matter". While there is some sympathy to see in the Court Chamberlains condemnation of the desecration of the remains of Dr. Tukoss, the Court Chamberlain has given a much more differentiated stance than the one you're ascribing.

If you'd have been in communication on these matters with your superiors, like Fleet Captain Shutaq, you'd know that SFRIM has so far tried to bring this situation to a solution by convincing Cpt. Raholan to comply with CONCORD.

SFRIM will continue to do so, and while we don't condone his actions in this matter - and already haven taken disciplinary measures, to the degree possible - we very much agree with the Court Chancelor in the cirtique of the Directive Enforcement Department and its heavy handed actions: If more resonable steps would have been taken, SFRIM would have had much more opportunity to bring this situation to resolution, than we have now. In the end, even though pilot Raholan is a member of our organisation, we can't force him to comply with these DED's demands and strategy of CONCORD in handling this severely limited our ability to convince Lucas Raholan to comply.

Therefore, SFRIM sees the escalation strategy by CONCORD and the DED in this matter with concern. Yet, we will keep on woring towards a resolution.

Our sympathies are especially with those capsuleers that have to suffer under sanctions without having any ability to comply with CONCORD's demands.

Regards,
- N. Mithra
Directix/CEO
[SFRIM]
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#94 - 2015-06-26 22:52:44 UTC
A member of your corporation is involved in a scandal. In order to preserve your corporation from the stain of that scandal, his removal will most likely be necessary if he continues to refuse to comply with CONCORD's demands. You may not be able to force him to give up the biomass, but you do have the ability to distance your corporation from him.

And in spite of your assumptions, I have been in communication with my superiors.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#95 - 2015-06-26 23:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Then you should've had no reason to misrepresent the actions taken by SFRIM: You should have known that we don't - at all - support any defiance to legal authority. Yet you did misrepresent our actions as such in your previous post.

Also, whether we will have to remove pilot Raholan or if we will be able to convince him to do the right thing is yet open: There is no need for you to speculate on this. Much less do you need to speculate on what actions SFRIM will take if this situation will find no reasonable solution: You can rest assured that SFRIM will do the right thing.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#96 - 2015-06-27 00:15:42 UTC
Hello, lovelies!

As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody.

Until this situation is resolved we will ensure that she continues to be fully cooperative with the authorities involved, without severing her employment contract and benefits package. Due to her exemplary service to the State and Ishukone, we feel this is the most gentle option we have available. Visitation by friends and family will of course be allowed, and she will remain free to resign her employment status at any time.

To our understanding, pilot Scherezad has already cooperated and submitted to the demands of the DED by contracting over all materials and information she has access to. Until further demands are made, there is little more she or Ishukone-Raata can do to address the situation.

Due to her noted efforts to comply, we currently have no plans to terminate Scherezad's employment contract, and advise strongly against any hasty diplomatic changes.

Katrina Oniseki

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#97 - 2015-06-27 00:25:38 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Also, whether we will have to remove pilot Raholan or if we will be able to convince him to do the right thing is yet open: There is no need for you to speculate on this. Much less do you need to speculate on what actions SFRIM will take if this situation will find no reasonable solution: You can rest assured that SFRIM will do the right thing.


I have speculated on nothing. I have only said that if SFRIM does not convince him to hand over the biomass, or remove him, then there will be issues for the corporation. If SFRIM does convince him, or alternatively removes him, then there won't be issues.

I apologize if the 'if-then' statement in my posts was unclear.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#98 - 2015-06-27 00:25:42 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody.

Um ... respectfully, is there no alternative to this, Ms. Oniseki?

Or is this, maybe, something a little different than it sounds?

I've been confined to quarters before. It was a horrible experience. Admittedly there were circumstances that made it ... worse, but ...

From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her?
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#99 - 2015-06-27 00:35:39 UTC
I'm confident that I-RED's decision to detain Cpt. Scherezad is for the best of all involved parties. Thorugh it, they show that they are quite capable of level-headed decisions.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#100 - 2015-06-27 00:40:47 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody.

Um ... respectfully, is there no alternative to this, Ms. Oniseki?

Or is this, maybe, something a little different than it sounds?

I've been confined to quarters before. It was a horrible experience. Admittedly there were circumstances that made it ... worse, but ...

From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her?



I'd rather not discuss more details in public out of respect for her.

I will reiterate that visitation is perfectly allowed for anybody concerned for her well being.

Katrina Oniseki