EVE General Discussion

While you're certainly entitled to your opinion I disagree.

If I decide to pay for a game I extensively research it, having been caught out a few times over the years by impressive looking games with pisspoor gameplay.

I knew full well what type of game Eve was before I subbed, I'd done a few trials in the past and was initially drawn in by the freedom of playstyle that Eve offers. There is plenty of information out there for newbs and vets alike, in line with CCPs general philosophy of not spoonfeeding content to their customers it has to be sought out.

The NPC corps have people in them that delight in urinating in the newbie pool with disinformation and wrongheadedness. Some of them are better in this regard than others, at least one of them has dedicated older players who seek to involve and inform newbies in all aspects of Eve, sadly they are the minority.

IMHO you'd be doing more good tackling the problem of people poisoning the newbie pool with FUD via NPC corps than arguing with the people who are quite happy to provide accurate and valid methods of how not to become their next victim.

I'm one of those players that doesn't wish to engage in combat PvP, I try and make sure that I don't become involved in it by understanding the mechanics involved and how not to get caught. If people wish to avoid combat PvP then they should have at least a basic knowledge of how it works, and how to avoid it.

The RP "trolling" is a filter to weed out those that are deserving of advice beyond "get a permit", if people cry, scream, make empty threats, bring someone's real life into it etc as a response then they deserve everything they get.

Someone who is calm, collected and asking pertinent questions will more often than not get good advice; someone who is disproportionately angry, ranting and acting like a petulant 2 year old will always get ridiculed and trolled.

The code, while full of rhetoric, bluster and long winded actually contains a kernel of good advice, I would consider not being AFK in space or hauling eleventy-billion isk in an untanked space canoe to be common sense, especially through well known and infamous areas like Uedama or Madirmilire, which are basically the coast of Somalia in space. Apparently some people consider common sense to be too much effort.

I remember when "here's a rubik's cube, now go forth and fornicate with yourself" was the tutorial. Eve is a niche game, it is also a game of discovery and exploration, amongst other things; that applies to both content and relevant information about that content.

If CCPs intent was to provide information relevant to gameplay then they would have produced a manual of some sort; the fact that they didn't, and still haven't beyond the new player FAQ, speaks volumes about the kind of game they perceive Eve to be.

As I said that is your opinion and you're entitled to it. I have had a totally different experience with CODE. I ganked with them a while back to learn the ropes and figure out my own approach to dealing with their activities, I found them to be welcoming and more than happy to educate a bear that was willing to learn, even if only for the purposes of learning how not to be a target.

You need to look harder, there are many instances of CODE providing solid advice on these very forums, it is often ignored because of its source (Admiral Ackbar Syndrome) but is solid advice regardless.

The inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy is a common ailment, you appear to be afflicted by it.

Lack of empathy can most definitely be roleplayed, film and television provide many examples of someone playing the part of a person with no empathy, every single day.

Guilty on being a slightly bittervet, not guilty of being a CODE or Goon (grr™) alt. This is my main, make of it what you will.

With those advice I agree, however they are not the issue.

Ah, personal insults. Once you run out of arguments, point at some mental disorder. That never gets old, does it. Now you definetely sound like a code alt . Not sure if that is allowed by forum rules though.

Yes , and...

If you think what Code and other do is bad, why would you choose to play EVE? That's what i can never ever understand, a person with your kind of personality traits would be well at home in other MMOs where 'bad behavior' isn't tolerated at all, yet you choose one of the few where it's encouraged.

Me, I don't think what Code (and others, like Goons before them) does is all that bad given that most players are adults who choose to play a 'notorious' game (Grand Theft Auto in space). I also like biker bars and strip clubs and the behavior in EVE is similar lol. But if couldn't at least tolerate 'bad behavior', the Last thing I'd do is play EVE, because bad behavior (in a rule set much loser than is the norm with MMOs) is the norm in EVE.

Also, we do empathize, I do it all the time, we frequently recruit people we hunt mercilessly if they happen to be good sports about it.

I have personally handed out isk ,ships, skillbooks and spent hours giving advice to people who actually show an intrest in bettering their game and take the losses I inflicted like a champ.

Admittedly I'm not a ganker but iv "acquired" aggression plenty.

tl;dr the following is intended to illustrate why you were trolled on your fleet hangar change thread.

I'm glad that you actually mentioned both of these things so that I can compare them and hopefully illustrate a point for you.

The fleet warp changes are designed to increase the reliance of fleets of all kinds on the competence and skills of their pilots, not just the skill of the FC. This change has a purpose that in theory will have a positive affect on the game and encourage more fleet participation rather than just more F1 monkeys. (Freighter ganking fleets already have to do this as they require bumpers, scanners, haulers, DST pilots, neutral aggressors, guys handing out gank ships, guys convo'ing potential victims to try to scam them, etc etc.) This change affects many different play styles and many different environments, and in every instance the purpose is the same, increase participation.

The DST change that you proposed servers one purpose, nerf ganking by making wreck looting more difficult and dangerous. That's it. It doesn't go anything to anyone except gankers. That isn't a change that's designed to make the game better, it's a change that's designed to interfere with a particular play style and make the game safer for people who chose to ignore all the information available to them.

I haven't read your thread, and I have no reason to. I can say though, that any attempt made by anyone to make such a change appear as anything but an attack on ganking as a play style would be transparent. There is no purpose to such a change beyond nerfing a particular play style that certain people take issue with (usually because they have lost assets to it), and it offers nothing to make the game better.

The corp friendly fire changes were designed to make the game more intuitive to entry level players. It was deemed that your corpmates being able to legally murder you with zero repercussions was not intuitive and caught many new players off guard (as well as many many older but complacent players). While I personally felt that this change was one more step towards the theme park model, I could see the intent as reasonable. Obviously we in the criminal community raged and screamed against the change, but that's part of the discussion. You need to hear the criticism from both sides in order to make the change as positive as possible. Partly due to the criticisms they received, the ability to shoot corp mates was not completely removed as was originally planned, but a friendly fire toggle for the corp was added. We still rolled our eyes at this WoW based "feature" but we went with it, and still find ways to demolish corporations from the inside out, just not in the same ways as before. Again, this is a change that affected many different groups in different ways and was intended to make the rules of aggression more intuitive.

Get a single fast frigate out to 151km in front of the bumped freighter and warp the freighter away. Works 99.9% of the time.