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[Proposal] Blood Raider Role Bonus
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Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1 - 2015-06-24 11:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciba Lexlulu
I would like to propose for all Blood Raider ships to have 50% role bonus for neut and nos for its range. I find currently Blood Raiders ship bonuses to be all over the place. The web range bonus does not work very well for brawling whilst the neut and nos bonus generally can only be applied at brawling range (with exception to Bhaalgorn). Bhaalgorn itself has been eclipsed by Armageddon. It literally can be capped out by an Armageddon before it can apply its own cap warfare. Dont even get me started with Geddon's drones vs. Bhaal's lazors.
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#2 - 2015-06-24 11:20:21 UTC
Ciba Lexlulu wrote:
I would like to propose for all Blood Raider ships to have 50% role bonus for neut and nos. I find currently Blood Raiders ship bonuses to be all over the place. The web range bonus does not work very well for brawling whilst the neut and nos bonus generally can only be applied at brawling range (with exception to Bhaalgorn). Bhaalgorn itself has been eclipsed by Armageddon. It literally can be capped out by an Armageddon before it can apply its own cap warfare. Dont even get me started with Geddon's drones vs. Bhaal's lazors.


50% role bonus to what? Range? Duration? Cap value drained/neuted?

If you don't even have an idea about what need changing, then the hulls are fine & your idea is bad. And if you Bhaalgorn fit get capped out by an Armaggedon, you're doing it REALLY wrong. Also, Smartbombs, as you should not have cap problems.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#3 - 2015-06-24 11:27:07 UTC
Nyalnara wrote:
Ciba Lexlulu wrote:
I would like to propose for all Blood Raider ships to have 50% role bonus for neut and nos. I find currently Blood Raiders ship bonuses to be all over the place. The web range bonus does not work very well for brawling whilst the neut and nos bonus generally can only be applied at brawling range (with exception to Bhaalgorn). Bhaalgorn itself has been eclipsed by Armageddon. It literally can be capped out by an Armageddon before it can apply its own cap warfare. Dont even get me started with Geddon's drones vs. Bhaal's lazors.


50% role bonus to what? Range? Duration? Cap value drained/neuted?

If you don't even have an idea about what need changing, then the hulls are fine & your idea is bad. And if you Bhaalgorn fit get capped out by an Armaggedon, you're doing it REALLY wrong. Also, Smartbombs, as you should not have cap problems.


For its range (edited original comment for clarity) Apologize for not being clear.. Obviously it is already bonuses to the amount of cap drained but range is a bit lacking. Fitting smartbomb in a Bhaal? That will be an interesting loss mail.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#4 - 2015-06-24 11:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: FireFrenzy
You mean my bhaalgorn with 28.5km web ranges and 29km Neut ranges is mis aligned somewhere?

'Cause that sounds pretty awesome to me...

EDIT: People fit lasers to bhaals?

EDIT2: well if i have links (which you really should if your bhaalgorning pplz) the webs go up to ~37km which means you can easily overtake fast people with webs fitted if you (dual) web someone
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-06-24 11:38:25 UTC
The problem the bhaal has is getting fights in the damned thing.
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#6 - 2015-06-24 11:44:07 UTC
With no cap boosters (since you are dual web), by the time you mwd to an Armageddon and apply your Nos to suck its cap, your web will turn off and capped out by Geddon's ranged bonus neuts.

Yes, OGB will solve a lot of issues. But you should assume OGB being used by both players then. Not a one sided affair.
Iwasaki Yataro
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#7 - 2015-06-24 11:58:47 UTC
Why are you fighting a geddon in a bhaal in the first place? Unless you're doing something wierd like Chessur with the nano bhaal, neither is a solo ship and they're predominantly used as the utility neut boat in a fleet for capping out caps, logi, or a marauder. In this case, just use ECM properly.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-06-24 12:00:19 UTC
Don't even need OBG, what you need is an overheated faction web and a judiciously overheated MWD.

Or, a deadspace NOS - they top out at 39km range and are, last I looked, very cheap considering.
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#9 - 2015-06-24 12:13:40 UTC
Iwasaki Yataro wrote:
Why are you fighting a geddon in a bhaal in the first place? Unless you're doing something wierd like Chessur with the nano bhaal, neither is a solo ship and they're predominantly used as the utility neut boat in a fleet for capping out caps, logi, or a marauder. In this case, just use ECM properly.


Not sure why everyone focuses on Bhaal. My post refers to all BR ships. In reality Bhaal is the least problematic of all BR ships. The weakest is Cruor and followed by Ashimmu.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-06-24 12:20:21 UTC
The ashimmu is fantastic. It's one of the best cruisers I've ever flown for a gang. Dual web, epic armor tank, neuts....it's glorious. Underrated perhaps, but absolutely glorious.

I'll give you the cruor though, chronic fitting issues due to the fitting requirements of NOS/Neuts (on frigate hulls).
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#11 - 2015-06-24 12:23:54 UTC
Well, of course they're not doing as well as dedicated webbers or neuters, but they are not supposed to anyway. They are used for small gangs which can't (because lack of people) can't afford two dedicated ships, and are actually well balanced as a compromise for that situation.
Also, agreeing with afkalt about cruor, a bit larger PWG base would be nice...

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.
Iwasaki Yataro
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#12 - 2015-06-24 12:53:25 UTC
Ciba Lexlulu wrote:
Iwasaki Yataro wrote:
Why are you fighting a geddon in a bhaal in the first place? Unless you're doing something wierd like Chessur with the nano bhaal, neither is a solo ship and they're predominantly used as the utility neut boat in a fleet for capping out caps, logi, or a marauder. In this case, just use ECM properly.


Not sure why everyone focuses on Bhaal. My post refers to all BR ships. In reality Bhaal is the least problematic of all BR ships. The weakest is Cruor and followed by Ashimmu.


Because your original post focuses on the bhaal vs geddon for the second half of the post. Like afkalt said, Ashimmu is great as a armor neut boat with webs. Agree that Cruor needs work.