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Why can't we buy new character slots?

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David Therman
#21 - 2015-06-22 22:42:34 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Why isn't this game WoW? They're almost spelled alike!


Well they both have achievements - here they are just called "opportunities." I just cant wait till they expand the "opportunities" so I can get my tackled a titan achievement badge.


You DO understand that the opportunities are the New Player Experience and tutorial and not XBox style achievements, yes?


An NPE that, when all is said and done, is even worse then the last one. They might as well be achievements for all the good they do.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#22 - 2015-06-22 22:52:23 UTC
Its not often that words fail me but...


Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2015-06-22 22:55:51 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I have a second account which I refuse to resub due to PLEX rising to ~1b isk. Will CCP sell character slots in the future? We already have Multiple Character Training available, so this isn't such a drastic step.




Because CCP says no. That's why. They hate us, and want to take our candy, and kick our puppies. If you don't have a puppy they will buy one for you, then kick it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-06-22 23:54:38 UTC
I don't get what the big f***ing deal is here...

I simply buy PLEX with RL money and use it for toon utilities or to stockpile cash and make a fortune, like I'm doing now. Big smileBig smile
shimiku
Zircron Industries
#25 - 2015-06-22 23:59:21 UTC
ye i want more pi alt that i dont need to pay for
Jenshae Chiroptera
#26 - 2015-06-23 00:26:05 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Will CCP sell character slots in the future?.
Hilmar alt detected. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

knowsitall
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-06-23 08:51:24 UTC
I hope not. If they did this I can tell you now that with infinite lab and manufacturing slots, you would see me with soooo many lab and building alts for a very small one off cost. As there is a hard limit of slots per character.

KIA
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-06-23 08:54:07 UTC
knowsitall wrote:
I hope not. If they did this I can tell you now that with infinite lab and manufacturing slots, you would see me with soooo many lab and building alts for a very small one off cost. As there is a hard limit of slots per character.

KIA


Hmmm that would make sense actually.
knowsitall
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-06-23 09:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: knowsitall
Its actually the same reason that this game can not go free to play without some dramatic changes.

There are so many things that a low SP character is useful for that if you sold one off cost character slots or went free to play (free character slots) that people (including myself) would abuse.

Low SP characters are not useless, it is just new players are clueless, so don't know how to use a low SP character. This is not knocking new players, its just they have a lot to learn (as we all did) when they first start. But cheap infinite alts in the hands of veterans are VERY dangerous to the game.

Quick list off the top of my head of things you can train in about a month (some MUCH less).

1) Lab alt - Copying alts are especially quick
2) Building Alt
3) Cyno Alt - If we went free to play I would have one in every station I could dock at
4) Scount - if free to play I could put on in every system.......
5) PI Alt
6) Trading Alt
7) Freighter alt (little bit more than a month but not much if that all it does)


KIA
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2015-06-23 09:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lena Lazair
Freya Sertan wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Why isn't this game WoW? They're almost spelled alike!


Well they both have achievements - here they are just called "opportunities." I just cant wait till they expand the "opportunities" so I can get my tackled a titan achievement badge.


You DO understand that the opportunities are the New Player Experience and tutorial and not XBox style achievements, yes?


What's sad (to me) is that when I first heard about opportunities, what I THOUGHT they were going to be was a form of small scale/solo PvE content that replaced static missions/agents/hubs. Basically like a form of mini incursion/dynamic event where every few hours various new opportunities would open up in different constellations/region that would encourage people to 1) roam around, 2) try new activities, and 3) interact with other people.

Like some kind of mini event pops up in a constellation where you have to scan down things, hack exploration/relic sites, do some combat anomalies, mine some stuff, maybe build some things, do some hauling, etc. And if all those little mini-tasks were completed within a specific timeframe then everyone who participated would get an LP bonus. Ideally with some basic free-form cooperative elements that reward multiple people in the same site hacking/mining/blowing stuff up because they get it done faster, but not so difficult that any actual organization is required or that people end up shooing folks away because of accidental competitive/greed elements.

Basically just like incursions but faster, smaller, somewhat less harsh, and designed to encourage people to try all the various facets of EVE while cooperatively roaming around bumping into each other, thus facilitating player interaction. Rather than being parked solo in mission hubs ignoring everyone, alone in your deadspace pockets, which is the part of mission running that is toxic to the game. Say what you will about incursions, the reality is that the specific nature of that PvE content actively encourages player engagement with other players, and carebear or not that's a HUGE benefit over the solo/isolated nature of mission running.

But alas, that's not what they did with it :(

EDIT: Just to elaborate a bit because it starts to sound a bit warm/fuzzy the way I described it... no reason the opportunities couldn't include plenty of PvP things too (even in HS) in order to really get people experimenting. LIke a mini-task of "3 ships must be lost in duels at the sun within 20km of NPC xyz for his entertainment" or "various pilots must spend a total of 30 mins (aggregated) in space with a suspect timer in order to help CONCORD calibrate their doodads and widgets in system W" or "at least 3 destroyer or larger hulls must be exploded to criminal timers to distract CONCORD from whatever shenanigans the pirate faction promoting this mini-event are trying to do), etc. And then new players in their frigates can go "oh.. what's a duel? suspect timers, how do I get one of those? ganking, wtf is that?" etc.
Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2015-06-23 10:02:52 UTC
In Eve you need only one character, namely the one that you fail mostly with. No need for any more.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-06-23 10:51:36 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Why isn't this game WoW? They're almost spelled alike!


Well they both have achievements - here they are just called "opportunities." I just cant wait till they expand the "opportunities" so I can get my tackled a titan achievement badge.


You DO understand that the opportunities are the New Player Experience and tutorial and not XBox style achievements, yes?
That's too complicated. Can you break it down?

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Lucy Lopez
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-06-23 11:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Lopez
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Sylveria Relden
#34 - 2015-06-29 23:05:53 UTC
Another benefit of having a second account - train two pilots at the same time versus one at a time on the same account. Sure you can now buy training for two on the same account- but it actually costs more than a second account's subscription. Even using PLEX to sub the 2nd account is more costly (around $20 regardless) than just subbing a second account.

I also believe the 3-pilot account as it stands is still better than more pilots on same account because it makes you really think about choices and planning for those pilots. I'd rather see more of this than "disposable" alts which plague many other games already out there currently.

TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)

Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#35 - 2015-06-29 23:24:23 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
You DO understand that the opportunities are the New Player Experience and tutorial and not XBox style achievements, yes?


And yet XBox achievements are significantly more informative, useful, and teach you more about the games involved.

Puzzle that one out.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#36 - 2015-06-30 00:09:32 UTC
Holy poop...I swear to Christ Almighty, I actually feel dumber from reading this! Please just burn it with fire and kill it before it figures out how to procreate!

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Jordon Wallace
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-06-30 00:46:09 UTC
Cyborg Girl86 wrote:
I don't get what the big f***ing deal is here...

I simply buy PLEX with RL money and use it for toon utilities or to stockpile cash and make a fortune, like I'm doing now. Big smileBig smile


Not everyone has so much real life disposable income, sad but true state of affairs.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-06-30 02:01:00 UTC
You want to pay once for more slots so you can have the benefit of two accounts with out the associated cost that everyone else has to pay.


Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three

Sato Page
Auctor Illuminatas Infinitum
#39 - 2015-06-30 02:05:19 UTC
Ha! OP just wants moar free PI income!

Dinsdale Pirannha for [u]CEO [/u]of [u]CCP[/u]

Milky Wimpshake
Death To Everyone But Us
#40 - 2015-06-30 08:18:31 UTC
LOL
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