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Not that Forumguy
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2015-06-12 02:17:16 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Not that Forumguy wrote:


Well how much damage does ECM do ? it is still used, i think there would be a lot of coding to complete for even things we think are basic, well do you track all these variables during a fleet fight / or squad fight, or do you fit your ship the best way you can by training your skills the highest they can be, then do the best you can in the situation. And at the end of the day game balancing passes sort out any balance issue. Having unpredictable things you can't track happening is a good thing for eve in pvp area.


ECM is EWAR. It is purely EWAR. Just like neuts are purely EWAR, paints are purely EWAR, webs are purely EWAR, etc. DPS is DPS. The two are seperate types of things. EWAR and remote reps are designed to be a force multiplier, while DPS is the force you are multiplying.

Also, you think that more variables you can't track, just estimate is good purely for the sake of more incalculable variables? That sounds simplistic to me. More variables is better only when those variables are part of a mechanic which coherently serves one of two greater purposes, Balance or Immersion. I do not see this improving balance, and it breaks immersion to me.


Well you did mention that if there is no increase in dps its a niche weapon so i was just giving you an example based on what you said. Well if i blew something up with these missiles in pvp i would say that there was some good balance going on. So because your suddenly in a pod and not in a spaceship you no longer feel immersion i guess that would be true.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#42 - 2015-06-12 04:46:51 UTC
Not that Forumguy wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Not that Forumguy wrote:


Well how much damage does ECM do ? it is still used, i think there would be a lot of coding to complete for even things we think are basic, well do you track all these variables during a fleet fight / or squad fight, or do you fit your ship the best way you can by training your skills the highest they can be, then do the best you can in the situation. And at the end of the day game balancing passes sort out any balance issue. Having unpredictable things you can't track happening is a good thing for eve in pvp area.


ECM is EWAR. It is purely EWAR. Just like neuts are purely EWAR, paints are purely EWAR, webs are purely EWAR, etc. DPS is DPS. The two are seperate types of things. EWAR and remote reps are designed to be a force multiplier, while DPS is the force you are multiplying.

Also, you think that more variables you can't track, just estimate is good purely for the sake of more incalculable variables? That sounds simplistic to me. More variables is better only when those variables are part of a mechanic which coherently serves one of two greater purposes, Balance or Immersion. I do not see this improving balance, and it breaks immersion to me.


Well you did mention that if there is no increase in dps its a niche weapon so i was just giving you an example based on what you said. Well if i blew something up with these missiles in pvp i would say that there was some good balance going on. So because your suddenly in a pod and not in a spaceship you no longer feel immersion i guess that would be true.


Wat?

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Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Phaade
Know-Nothings
#43 - 2015-06-12 05:29:12 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Not that Forumguy wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:


Dumb

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No, it does not decrease the total armor or shield, nor does it create something you have to repair through before you gain an amount of repair. That's not what i am suggesting. what should happen is the next repair cycle will do 50 less in the repair cycle(As an example) , then go back to normal until another successful missile strike. The distortion effect would probably be chance based in its final product i imagine also.

I dont know how more plainly i can say it, since no one is actually reading me and jumping to conclusions i can only type

100-50 = 50 , that's still equals to a gain* of 50 repair for duration. (so your still repairing in your repair cycle)



Not sure if you're clueless, or just can't express your idea properly...

How does your "distortion" effect get measured/calculated, if not with a new value on each ship?

Is he trolling me? I always suspect trolling when people say things that are this stupid. =\



You are incredibly closed minded. Not surprising given the time spent in Gallente militia.
Not that Forumguy
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2015-06-21 07:39:55 UTC
Missile buff incoming Big smile
Not that Forumguy
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2015-06-22 10:46:25 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Not that Forumguy wrote:

Your point is valid you could do that, but what weapon is yet fit for that purpose, i think missiles have the opportunity and function for the effect.

Missiles are probably the best weapon system to tack something like this onto. Conceded.
Now, please give evidence that such a system existing at all is good for eve.


HAHA, missile buff incoming ! Big smile, basically same effect but just modules instead Big smile
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#46 - 2015-06-22 13:12:59 UTC
Not that Forumguy wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Not that Forumguy wrote:

Your point is valid you could do that, but what weapon is yet fit for that purpose, i think missiles have the opportunity and function for the effect.

Missiles are probably the best weapon system to tack something like this onto. Conceded.
Now, please give evidence that such a system existing at all is good for eve.


HAHA, missile buff incoming ! Big smile, basically same effect but just modules instead Big smile

u fooking wot m8?

There is none of this pants on head idea in the missile buff. No stealth damage, etc.

Already conceded that medium missiles needed some love, and that a bit of a buff across the board wasn't crazy.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Not that Forumguy
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2015-06-22 13:22:42 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Not that Forumguy wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Not that Forumguy wrote:

Your point is valid you could do that, but what weapon is yet fit for that purpose, i think missiles have the opportunity and function for the effect.

Missiles are probably the best weapon system to tack something like this onto. Conceded.
Now, please give evidence that such a system existing at all is good for eve.


HAHA, missile buff incoming ! Big smile, basically same effect but just modules instead Big smile

u fooking wot m8?

There is none of this pants on head idea in the missile buff. No stealth damage, etc.

Already conceded that medium missiles needed some love, and that a bit of a buff across the board wasn't crazy.


Hey just relax man :-) you could have just put in an emote, just = Big smile
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