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[Duality] Sovereignty Playtest Competition

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Jayne Fillon
#201 - 2015-06-22 04:11:48 UTC
Nevermind that, Shadoo is alive???

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

KristyDawn
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Pandemic Legion
#202 - 2015-06-22 05:23:09 UTC
What was the reasoning for rewarding the meta module names via a raffle instead of basing it on the top 4 alliances that captured the most sov?
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2015-06-22 05:56:18 UTC
KristyDawn wrote:
What was the reasoning for rewarding the meta module names via a raffle instead of basing it on the top 4 alliances that captured the most sov?

It would mean no one would do anything till the end. This way there is incentive to do the sov stuff the entire time.
YamiFreighter
Redhogs
Fraternity.
#204 - 2015-06-22 06:13:55 UTC
My experiences so far with Fozziesov are mixed as are my opinions.

The first part, where you entosis the structure and the structure is reinforced. If the enemy actively maintains the indexes the system takes quite a while to take. The maintained indexes also give them a more predictable window in which they must defend the area. Its the part of the game where you kick a nest of hornets and get ready to deal with what comes, be it blob warfare, a HAC fleet or an I don't give a damn cuz its out of my timezone response.

I like this part.

The second part, where you must essentially control the majority of the constellation while your alliance captures command nodes. This encourages unconventional tactics which I get a good laugh out of, even if the limitless isk and tournament ships do drain the fun out of it to a degree.

I like this part.

Then there is the last part, this part only applies to TCUs and IHUBs, where the structure is first destroyed and then you place your own down, you have essentially bested your adversary through two differently managed stages of the vulnerability timer. But the thing that's out of place here is that assuming you own the system, you can let the attackers do whatever they want in your system for the first two timers, right up until the end where they place their own structure down, and then hotdrop with overwhelming force as soon as they drop their structure down, losing pretty much nothing in the process, resetting the process, and achiving nothing but -1 sov structure for the attackers and the need to do it all again.

I think this part is absolutely no fun at all.

CCP Fozzie I believe it was mentioned somwhere that these sov mechanics were to enable to make smaller entities able to claim sov, but this last part not only goes against that, but gives the defenders ample time to prepare all the assets for the only part of the sov warfare that even matters. In fact I'll go as far as to say that at this point the other mechanics are simply hoops to be jumped through so that this final encounter may be attempted.
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2015-06-22 07:00:53 UTC
YamiFreighter wrote:
Then there is the last part, this part only applies to TCUs and IHUBs, where the structure is first destroyed and then you place your own down, you have essentially bested your adversary through two differently managed stages of the vulnerability timer. But the thing that's out of place here is that assuming you own the system, you can let the attackers do whatever they want in your system for the first two timers, right up until the end where they place their own structure down, and then hotdrop with overwhelming force as soon as they drop their structure down, losing pretty much nothing in the process, resetting the process, and achiving nothing but -1 sov structure for the attackers and the need to do it all again.

I think this part is absolutely no fun at all.

CCP Fozzie I believe it was mentioned somwhere that these sov mechanics were to enable to make smaller entities able to claim sov, but this last part not only goes against that, but gives the defenders ample time to prepare all the assets for the only part of the sov warfare that even matters. In fact I'll go as far as to say that at this point the other mechanics are simply hoops to be jumped through so that this final encounter may be attempted.

I agree with what you said. If the final engagement can be simply won with hot dropping all the things on one grid, and winning the entire thing(?), how is that any better than dominion sov?
KristyDawn
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Pandemic Legion
#206 - 2015-06-22 07:05:39 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
What was the reasoning for rewarding the meta module names via a raffle instead of basing it on the top 4 alliances that captured the most sov?

It would mean no one would do anything till the end. This way there is incentive to do the sov stuff the entire time.


That makes no sense, starting early ensures the most systems captured. You don't know how long it takes to take a large amount of systems do you?
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2015-06-22 07:20:31 UTC
KristyDawn wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
What was the reasoning for rewarding the meta module names via a raffle instead of basing it on the top 4 alliances that captured the most sov?

It would mean no one would do anything till the end. This way there is incentive to do the sov stuff the entire time.


That makes no sense, starting early ensures the most systems captured. You don't know how long it takes to take a large amount of systems do you?

PL seems to have taken a lot real fast and we are only four days into the competition. Please explain what I am missing?
KristyDawn
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Pandemic Legion
#208 - 2015-06-22 07:28:18 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
What was the reasoning for rewarding the meta module names via a raffle instead of basing it on the top 4 alliances that captured the most sov?

It would mean no one would do anything till the end. This way there is incentive to do the sov stuff the entire time.


That makes no sense, starting early ensures the most systems captured. You don't know how long it takes to take a large amount of systems do you?

PL seems to have taken a lot real fast and we are only four days into the competition. Please explain what I am missing?


What does that have to do with the raffle system? We have taken a lot of systems because we have people capturing nodes almost 24/7.
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2015-06-22 07:31:52 UTC
KristyDawn wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
What was the reasoning for rewarding the meta module names via a raffle instead of basing it on the top 4 alliances that captured the most sov?

It would mean no one would do anything till the end. This way there is incentive to do the sov stuff the entire time.


That makes no sense, starting early ensures the most systems captured. You don't know how long it takes to take a large amount of systems do you?

PL seems to have taken a lot real fast and we are only four days into the competition. Please explain what I am missing?


What does that have to do with the raffle system? We have taken a lot of systems because we have people capturing nodes almost 24/7.

I'll give you some time to realize what you have said. Lol
KristyDawn
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Pandemic Legion
#210 - 2015-06-22 07:34:35 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:

It would mean no one would do anything till the end. This way there is incentive to do the sov stuff the entire time.


That makes no sense, starting early ensures the most systems captured. You don't know how long it takes to take a large amount of systems do you?

PL seems to have taken a lot real fast and we are only four days into the competition. Please explain what I am missing?


What does that have to do with the raffle system? We have taken a lot of systems because we have people capturing nodes almost 24/7.

I'll give you some time to realize what you have said. Lol


I think you have a poor understanding of pretty much everything :)
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2015-06-22 07:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: SilentAsTheGrave
KristyDawn wrote:
I think you have a poor understanding of pretty much everything :)

With the raffle it means anyone in the contest has a shot to win something, despite some alliances teaming up to form these coalitions. It means that there is incentive to keep trying to use the sov system instead of just giving up early on. If that was not the case then you would have four alliances team up and crush everyone else immediately and then there really isn't any test of this new sov system. Just four alliances who napped up and everyone else stopped logging into Duality to test it. To uncover bugs and adjust timer lengths. You know, the main reason for all of this stuff.

I guess I'm not explaining things well enough. I'll leave it to CCP to explain why there is a raffle if they feel like they need to.
Warmeister
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#212 - 2015-06-22 07:57:42 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
What was the reasoning for rewarding the meta module names via a raffle instead of basing it on the top 4 alliances that captured the most sov?

It would mean no one would do anything till the end. This way there is incentive to do the sov stuff the entire time.


That makes no sense, starting early ensures the most systems captured. You don't know how long it takes to take a large amount of systems do you?

PL seems to have taken a lot real fast and we are only four days into the competition. Please explain what I am missing?


i think you'll find that trying to capture systems that someone is actively defending will be much harder than capturing systems now.
so if you are waiting till the last moment you might be in for a surprise
Warmeister
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#213 - 2015-06-22 08:00:07 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
I think you have a poor understanding of pretty much everything :)

With the raffle it means anyone in the contest has a shot to win something, despite some alliances teaming up to form these coalitions. It means that there is incentive to keep trying to use the sov system instead of just giving up early on. If that was not the case then you would have four alliances team up and crush everyone else immediately and then there really isn't any test of this new sov system. Just four alliances who napped up and everyone else stopped logging into Duality to test it. To uncover bugs and such. You know, the main reason for all of this stuff.

I guess I'm not explaining things well enough. I'll leave it to CCP to explain why there is a raffle if they feel like they need to.


the way it is now some alliances didn't even bother to login.
Hippolyte Clio
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Pandemic Legion
#214 - 2015-06-22 08:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Hippolyte Clio
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
I think you have a poor understanding of pretty much everything :)

With the raffle it means anyone in the contest has a shot to win something, despite some alliances teaming up to form these coalitions. It means that there is incentive to keep trying to use the sov system instead of just giving up early on. If that was not the case then you would have four alliances team up and crush everyone else immediately and then there really isn't any test of this new sov system. Just four alliances who napped up and everyone else stopped logging into Duality to test it. To uncover bugs and such. You know, the main reason for all of this stuff.

I guess I'm not explaining things well enough. I'll leave it to CCP to explain why there is a raffle if they feel like they need to.


People could do that now if they wanted and just share the systems 4 way for the maximum chance to win. But currently in this test there is only 3 or 4 groups actually playing.

Only 1 alliance has actually tried to make deals with people and that was brave. Lychton blued Fcon, tried to blue darkness but they aren't playing and tried to blue PL but they said no.
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#215 - 2015-06-22 08:12:22 UTC
Warmeister wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
KristyDawn wrote:
I think you have a poor understanding of pretty much everything :)

With the raffle it means anyone in the contest has a shot to win something, despite some alliances teaming up to form these coalitions. It means that there is incentive to keep trying to use the sov system instead of just giving up early on. If that was not the case then you would have four alliances team up and crush everyone else immediately and then there really isn't any test of this new sov system. Just four alliances who napped up and everyone else stopped logging into Duality to test it. To uncover bugs and such. You know, the main reason for all of this stuff.

I guess I'm not explaining things well enough. I'll leave it to CCP to explain why there is a raffle if they feel like they need to.


the way it is now some alliances didn't even bother to login.

Ha! You don't have to tell me. I currently make up 1/3 of the active membership on Duality for Brave. The other two members are AFK right now. And that was while you guys were taking the 9UY station. But it wasn't this new sov system that caused the participation to drop to nothing. Just tons of meta gaming done by the enemies and the standard Brave drama. Factor in some of the other alliances that were complete no shows for this thing. I think there is only 4-5 alliances doing anything now. Damn shame really. I really want this new sov system to be firing on all cylinders when it hits TQ. Everyone has endured I don't know how many years of soul destroying Dominion sov, a new system that is amazing is what they deserve. I don't care about winning, I just want what is best for the game and the players. But alas, I am just a few months in the game and what I can do with just me and maybe a couple other guys to kick the tires on this new sov is insanely limited.

I'm trying to find us a couple different approaches to things, but when no one logs in, it feels like solo PvP where the other guy has two Falcon alts, links, pirate implants and three triage Archons on standby to save his officer fit faction battleship. And me? I'm in an Atron. Ugh
Shadoo
North Eastern Swat
#216 - 2015-06-22 09:05:34 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
I'm trying to find us a couple different approaches to things, but when no one logs in, it feels like solo PvP where the other guy has two Falcon alts, links, pirate implants and three triage Archons on standby to save his officer fit faction battleship. And me? I'm in an Atron. Ugh


From what I've seen - Orthus is the BRAVE standard issue ship on Duality :)

I'm happy to come guest FC few defense ops if that helps?
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#217 - 2015-06-22 09:15:15 UTC
Shadoo wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
I'm trying to find us a couple different approaches to things, but when no one logs in, it feels like solo PvP where the other guy has two Falcon alts, links, pirate implants and three triage Archons on standby to save his officer fit faction battleship. And me? I'm in an Atron. Ugh


From what I've seen - Orthus is the BRAVE standard issue ship on Duality :)

I'm happy to come guest FC few defense ops if that helps?

Appreciate the offer, but there is almost no one left to FC. And I don't think another FC from Spectre would go over very well. What we need, aside from members logging in, is new skirmish FC's who are capable of leading a small squad. Get a dozen of those guys on along with whatever ships they like to skirmish with and we would have something. Then again, if we could get about 10 of you well know people to each FC a small group, I have seen you all on Duality, it would be pretty amazing boost.

Oh well, have to call it a night. I fear that tomorrow when I log in, I will be by myself. Ugh But by all that is holy, I will still try and take a node so watch your six! Twisted
Dorijan
W-Space IT Department
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#218 - 2015-06-22 10:31:30 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
Shadoo wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
I'm trying to find us a couple different approaches to things, but when no one logs in, it feels like solo PvP where the other guy has two Falcon alts, links, pirate implants and three triage Archons on standby to save his officer fit faction battleship. And me? I'm in an Atron. Ugh


From what I've seen - Orthus is the BRAVE standard issue ship on Duality :)

I'm happy to come guest FC few defense ops if that helps?

Appreciate the offer, but there is almost no one left to FC. And I don't think another FC from Spectre would go over very well. What we need, aside from members logging in, is new skirmish FC's who are capable of leading a small squad. Get a dozen of those guys on along with whatever ships they like to skirmish with and we would have something. Then again, if we could get about 10 of you well know people to each FC a small group, I have seen you all on Duality, it would be pretty amazing boost.

Oh well, have to call it a night. I fear that tomorrow when I log in, I will be by myself. Ugh But by all that is holy, I will still try and take a node so watch your six! Twisted


Could we please stay on topic? This was supposed to be a thread about fozziesov playtesting, not some alliance's issues on TQ or Duality.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#219 - 2015-06-22 10:40:17 UTC
The raffle system is intended to make sure that people have incentive to get and hold as many systems as they can, even if they know that they won't get enough to be in the top 4.

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Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#220 - 2015-06-22 11:02:32 UTC
Hippolyte Clio wrote:
Only 1 alliance has actually tried to make deals with people and that was brave. Lychton blued Fcon, tried to blue darkness but they aren't playing and tried to blue PL but they said no.

This right here is why Brave will never amount to anything in this game. If your knee-jerk reaction is to blue everything around you then you are forever stuck in the mindset of your own inability. Yes, you can hold a lot of space that way, but at the end of the day you are just doing it wrong.