Missions & Complexes

Quick question, for normal ships, can you hit those Dramiels with 3 webs, 2 painters and heavy neutrons blasters (say faction AM)?
The Gnosis hull is a decent possibility if the above can hit reliably.

with a sample size of one I think it dropped faction ammo. about to have a sample size of 2, and the result is: more faction ammo.

using a mobile depot worked out fine. by the time I got over to the transport the drones had pretty much taken care of it, I got one shot off, but I also overshot the dram wrecks when looting them, so I did waste a few seconds. The dual magstab, dual web, single painter version dunked the drams.


the strength of 90% webs is WOWZA

I remember the drop from 99% webs to 90% webs on my paladin (these days there isn't even a web strength bonus). and that drop alone made me not want to use webs on the paladin (well for pve). the drop from 90 to 60%

I remember testing the original burner missions on sisi and a web just didn't do it vs the angel burner and that was with frig guns. don't remember if I tried dual webs. Jumping to cruiser sized guns and it just doesn't sound viable, maybe it is, but I have doubts.

New " 4 dramiels from hell " angel burner transport SETUP


[Devoter, Xenon 101's Devoter]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II

Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II


Acolyte I x10

Hail S x5000
Republic Fleet EMP S x19400

82 EM 93 EXP Resistance

CAP STABLE 240.7 dps ( with 4 % implant-SS 904 )........I know fitting an amarr cruiser with 200 autocannons sucks lol but it works well with RF EMP it takes around 2 min to kill 1 Dramiel. For transport use a mobile depot and swap a webb with a MWD.

I like the vigilant a lot It takes a bit over 2 mins to clear the mission. First combat log and last combat log.
[ 2015.06.10 06:34:43 ] (combat) Burner Escort Dramiel misses you completely
[ 2015.06.10 06:37:09 ] (combat) 49 to Burner Clone Soldier Transport - Vespa II - Smashes

I start with 2 mag stabs, then swap one for a DDA when the drams are mostly dead, then swap the painter for a MWD to loot. I like this setup better as it kills the drams faster and I don't have to worry about overloading as much. The extra magstab adds ~140 dps overloaded. And then I can swap to a DDA (or even 2x DDA) to finish off the transport then mwd over to the transport to loot. as it is usually dead by then anyways, one time I got one shot off on it, think that was the first mobile depot run and forgot to bring DDAs.

so far the transport has dropped faction ammo every time, and I have gotten a few clone soldier tags. I think I've done it 4-5 times now. The drams have dropped faction ammo a few times, but nothing of interest.

Thanks, just the info I need to (safely) test a small guns Gnosis build on TQ.
Yeah, the Vigilant is ideal ofc but I'm trying to look at viable alternatives to a smartbomb build.

the talos mission is interesting to me as each of the burners start 100km away, so I would assume you would be long out of point range by the time they probe you out and warp to you. additionally NPCs tend to go after whoever is doing the most threat. so by someone landing and putting a point and/or other ewar on you, I would assume that would switch aggro. they might even switch aggro when the new person lands. but if you point them or do a lot of damage they might switch again.

I haven't tested it I'm just theory crafting out loud here.

Jumped to the end of the thread and at first thought that it's Taloses who probe you down and warp to you and I was like "wow, this went far".

Anyway, I wanted to thank OP and all the rest for amazing work on this topic, definitely way to go.

Although those setups will cost a lot to get, but seeing how much of them I get, it seems like well worth the hassle.
Too bad most of them use skills I'm not good with, but I understand the reasons.

Good advice. Normally rats don't chase you forever (and they tend to reset their HP and whatnot when they disengage btw), but it's good thing to remember that and don't panic.

Learned that during last mission of Angels arc, except that time it wasn't desirable outcome, had to restart an engagement :/

Any T3 10MN AB setup works same reasons why a 100MN VNI or Ishtar works.
A Confessor with 10MN in prop mode ~2620 m/s so roughly the same speed as the Vagabond but is lacking the DPS. From my experience you will need about +3min compared to a Vagabond and you are running the risk of getting one shot by Talos.

You should be ok with Mini Cruiser 4 and with Meta 4 guns with antimatter. Void vs Antimatter in PvE with 2x 84% webs (in your case with Min CR 4)not much of a difference in real applicated DPS. Void is cheaper and gives you more basic damage so any smashed or penetrate hit is more damage than with antimatter.

Triple web + mobile depot ~1:30min wasted time but works.

Thanks guys. For the reference, here are those videos:

Confessor vs Taloses

Vigilant versus Dramiels

Budget triple web dualrep fit that was shown in the last video:

[Vigilant, Angel Burner]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

It doesn't look like the attempt is super tight and there's no room for mistakes. IIRC there was no drone tanking and I don't remember him overheating anything, so who knows, perhaps it can work with meta 4 guns and faction antimatter.

...why did I think that not training hybrids to 5 was a good idea back then?..

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On confessor: it's a bit slower than 2600+, but looking at that video it's not a problem to speedtank even while orbiting one of those Taloses. I also think that orbit presented in the video wasn't optimal as it was almost on the same plane with general direction towards other taloses.

Feel free to point out if something is wrong with those videos.

P.S. Nice to have a reason to get a few more shinies