Ships & Modules

Disclaimer: Recently returned to EVEO after two year hiatus, so I'm feeling a bit 'whelmed from information overload. It's still an exhilarating feeling, even when loosing a ship...

I recently lost a SNI from a gank (active tanked and neuted to death) during a level 4 mission run and looking for set-up options that does the following:

1. Complete L4 Security mission in Minmatar space in a reasonable time (max. 45-60 min clear time)
2. Provide gank deterrent (I'm not particularly concerned with destroying a hostile just forcing them away).

I recognize that a sacrifice for DPS, Tank, or Deterrent must be made; so I'm looking for advice on an optimal set up. What I have planned at this time is (I have all relevant skills @ Level V):

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[Scorpion Navy Issue]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher

Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

[Med. Mission Specific Drone] x5 >
Hornet EC-300 x5

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Under EFT this provides the ship with EHP 176,667 (205k overheated) and DPS 957 (1099 overheated). Is the above sound enough for my criteria and current state of the EVEO Universe?

I appreciated the harsh words (no really). Yet I did make a disclaimer...this avatars' account started in 2004 with all the perks of skill and isk that comes with a long term character (No this isn't a bought toon). Recently returning I am playing it casual until I relearn all the newness. I do have less expensive ships, buts wuts the point of enjoying hard work (now or in the past) if i have to fit (less impressive fits). I am assuming the EVE adage of "Dont fly what you cant replace" still holds true, so I'm asking for advice on a advanced skilled character, recently returning, to put a thorn in gankers side. I am not interested in flying under the radar, If gankers come...good. More learning for me.

So how can I fit a mission SNI, cost not a concern (no officer loot), and still put a shiv in a gankers side?

Ugh, where to begin. Too much bling (1.2B isk according to pyfa,) not enough DPS, the Calefaction rig is nearly useless, not enough damage application mods, etc..

Your DPS is actually 757 with CN faction missiles. Don't include drone DPS and do include reload time in DPS. Bring along an MTU (mobile tractor unit) to loot wrecks and use salvage drones to salvage wrecks, but don't stay in the mission pocket and loot/salvage once the NPCs are dead. Instead move on to the next mission.

The fit below has 887 missile DPS and can actually apply it.

The 4th CN BCU only provides an additional 6 DPS over the BCU II. Six DPS isn't worth ~90M for faction.

You can swap the LMJD for an AB, MWD, or another TP. Generally speaking, most missions no longer require any meaningful movement on your part, so try to fit another TP instead.

You want as many TPs and Rigor/Flare rigs as possible in order to use Fury ammo to slap NPC cruisers down. Main reason is to avoid swapping ammo. (Rigor II > Flare II > Rigor I > Flare I.)

You'll want spare light drones due to NPC aggro changes (meaning, NPCs like to switch targets and shoot at your drones, especially the NPC frigates.)

[Scorpion Navy Issue, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Large Micro Jump Drive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Salvage Drone I x7
Hobgoblin II x8


Don't forget the MTU and a Mobile Depot (for refitting on the fly, i.e. if you suddenly need more tank or want an AB/MWD.)


Personally, I would go with a Raven or Navy Raven for the missile velocity bonus, which helps reduce wasted volleys.

Trying to fit for PvP and PvE is generally a fail at both.

First of all - 4 faction bcu's is a waste of isk. go 3 faction and 1 t2. Save a good deal of isk and lose minimal dps.

Secondly, gankers are just as if not more risk adverse then carebears. If they don't think they can sink you before Concord comes jocking in, they usually won't bother.
(Scenario - You undock in your loot pinata. You get passively targeted(no yellow box give away) and scanned with probes(so now they have your scan signature and can ignore all others) and scanned(now they know your exact fit). Your fit is plugged into EFT/Pyfa and analyzed. Now they know how many/what type of ship to pop you in your resist hole(arty thrasher, gankalyst, tornadoes, etc) plus take into account system security. Since all other ship signatures are now ignored, you are easily probed down. If they engage it's 99% going to go south for you. As it should, since they did their homework.)

However, looking at your fit and you said you got neuted down...You didn't get ganked you got baited. There's a big difference. Ganking is them racing Concord for your killmail. Baited is somebody picking a fight with you. See last sentence of previous paragraph regarding this.

Now...on to your fit.....
I'm assuming you were using a specific damage type or implants or w/e to get you EHP, as I have you at 169,709 ehp omni. With faction missiles I have you floating around 801 dps, so I'm assuming you're using some implants there.

1) Your application is garbad. Cruisers and Frigates are in healthy supply in level 4s and you are going to be wasting a lot of ammo taking them out.(Sure you'll do decent damage with them with those statis webs.....if they ever get that close in a timely manner since your MJD passive tanked(eeeh 121 ehp/s)?

2) Why even the webs? I'm assuming you got baited by a small ship ninja looting/salvaging in a mission and this is your thought to get revenge. You know though, your just helping that ship warp off if you don't have a point. That just lets them reship and come back in something bigger while you have a weapons timer.

3) Why the faction shield extenders? I can only assume it's due to a tight CPU fit but your spending a lot more for minimal ehp bonus vs t2/meta4.

Suggestions:
1) Your best defense is not getting caught. Like I said, if a ganker comes after you rest assured, unless they're just starting out or are learning, you're taking the pod express home.

2) Have the bat phone at the ready for logistics/more firepower to come and rep you.(they may or may not arrive at the scene in time to save you once it starts going down)

3) Pick another hull. SNI is......meh for mission running. Your damage with Cruise missiles are going to be pretty poor without target painters vs anything smaller then a battleship. It's not a matter of paper dps but how many volleys you save with missiles that matter. If you like the look of the SNI, consider the Rattlesnake. It's just as tanky and does a lot more damage from drones.

4) If you really must stick with the SNI then look at rapid heavy missile launchers instead of cruise missiles. I tried making a frankenstein fit for this but it was all sort of a hot mess. You're going to want a point, webs and MWD to keep on top of them.(BS aren't exactly known for their speed and frigs/cruisers can still cruise awhile pretty fast after you shut off their MWD)

5) Think of the big picture. How much are you going to lose to a little ninja salvager/looter? 10 million? maaaybe 20 million? How much is your ship worth. If they're picking a fight 9/10 it's because they think they can win or they have friends waiting in the winds for it to go south.

Possible? Yes. Although it's going to be pretty hard to cover all your bases.
You're going to want to look into a combo of active/buffer fit. Preferably as cap independant as possible.
Consider this:
[Scorpion Navy Issue, test]
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
500MN Microwarpdrive II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

All level 5s:
70/76/82/85 shield resists. 212,363 omni ehp.
329 ehps low end vs Sansha to 522 ehp/s vs Angel high end.
Queue XLASB - 1340 ehp/s vs Sansha to 1661 ehp/s vs Angel
770 DPS with T1, 885 DPS with Faction and1039 DPS with Furies.

250,057 omni ehp , 1615 ehp/s vs Sansha and 2563 ehp/s vs Angel overheated.

Cap lasts for 5m 21s boosting + hardeners.
2m 40s with Neut,boost and hardeners only
2m 7s with MWD, boost and hardeners only
1m 32s with everything running

Suggested price tag - 1.1 billion

The main problem is the ~30 second reload of the rapid heavies. However, since we're having our mids take us to beefcake levels to make it harder to be alpha ganknado'd or have a strong tankz0r vs gankalyst, we don't have slots for applications. That makes cruise missiles wildly inefficient in a cruiser/frigate healthy environment of level 4 missions.

Toy with it all you want, that's just what I frankensteined together on the fly and I still don't like it.

Do you use or let's say focused on missiles only? Maybe i did miss this point while reading.

For example stoic could give you some tips on perfect Machariel mission blitzing fit.
I do personaly think that flying this pimped SNI is just put yourself into a risk. If you want have some fun and taste your balls go try burner missions.

Wow that's not really a very nice way to give advice to the gentleman, you might consider making your point without being so harsh against the player. In the end of the day if he wants to spent money in PLEX is his money and his problem.


OP, have you consider 'Raven Navy Issue'? ... I think you will better results rather than the SNI, and I am talking from my own past experience, and others advice.

Also you don't need all that fancy stuff if you have good skills in shield and missiles; however if you can't handle level 4 missions and if there is any chance that you need to warp out due the amount of damage received, then I should consider skill up more my skills. Also take in consideration that if you don't want to get ganked, you should investigate your surroundings systems, investigate in dotlan what are the most HOT systems near by your are of 'running missions' and from there try to research which corporations are ganking in the area, then is just simple to add them to your watch list and soon you see one of them in local, then you can scape to a safe or dock.

fly safe dude.

That is a hilariously terrible fit, apparently you haven't listened to what others tried to explain to you.

1) "gank" is only used when it involves the attackers going criminal and killing you before Concord arrives (either through high alpha or high dps, solo or multiple attackers). If they neuted you it wasn't a gank, it was you getting aggressed to them (probably because you shot them as they stole from you) which gives them enough time to kill you.

2) they will know your fitting, using a ship scanner, so they know how to deal with you. They WILL have a counter to it and if you fall for it again by attacking them you WILL lose your ship again.

3) some weird combo of HP and active tank is silly as you're trying to do two things at once meaning the ship is less focussed which means you're wasting slots that could be used better

4) the best, and only, deterrent against (actual) gankers is to not have too much hilariously expensive nonsense modules fitted. If you're worthwhile to gank it'll happen, if you don't like that don't be a worthwhile target

5) you WILL lose your pve ship when dealing with a competent mission buster, not all are of course but you're just better off to NOT be lured into getting flagged. You'll just lose time and quite possibly your ship.



Stop clown fitting hilarious pith silly nonsense and pithum lol invuls, you don't need them and all they do is make you a target. Stop using 4 CN BCS, the gain from the last 2 is hilariously little. The funny bit is that a cheaper fit (thus not a target) can focus its modules more on doing dps and will actually perform better in a mission.