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Why is most of the EVE player base behaving like poorly?

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#21 - 2015-06-17 15:33:36 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
You know what, it's a PVP game. If you play chess against someone, do you call him a jerk for taking your pawns? If you play world of tanks do you call others jerks for shooting your tank with their tanks?

Unfortunately, this is not a game where you can chill in space and mine or explore without others being able to shoot you. People can shoot your ship, therefore people WILL shoot your ship.


no he wouldnt because he is actually engaged in the activity with that player so he knows what to expect, a new player being ganked by code is not pvp its just being ganked simple.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-06-17 15:34:38 UTC
Don't ***** because CODEdot ganked you. It happens. Period. You got caught either AFK, watching Youtube or otherwise not paying attention to EvE. You got podded because of that. Your own admission says so.

This topic is pointless. Welcome to EvE. We ALL want to kill you. Get used to it.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-06-17 15:35:25 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
You know what, it's a PVP game. If you play chess against someone, do you call him a jerk for taking your pawns? If you play world of tanks do you call others jerks for shooting your tank with their tanks?

Unfortunately, this is not a game where you can chill in space and mine or explore without others being able to shoot you. People can shoot your ship, therefore people WILL shoot your ship.


no he wouldnt because he is actually engaged in the activity with that player so he knows what to expect, a new player being ganked by code is not pvp its just being ganked simple.


Which is still PvP.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#24 - 2015-06-17 15:39:34 UTC
whatever you want to define it as, people have different definitions for what pvp is and someone with a gun shooting someone without a gun is not pvp

OP message me in game and ill srp your stuff for you so you can get started up again, we aint all asshats here

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#25 - 2015-06-17 15:55:43 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
whatever you want to define it as, people have different definitions for what pvp is and someone with a gun shooting someone without a gun is not pvp

OP message me in game and ill srp your stuff for you so you can get started up again, we aint all asshats here


So far i have never lost more than i can afford to lose, while i do appreciate the gesture, i decline the offer.

To be honest, the fault lies with CCP's "balance" team, and how they neglected how powerful warb disrupts and interdiction bubbles are, and how little if any that can be done to counter them.
CCP's have done it overly easy for gankers and "pirates" to do what they do without any repercussions. Even Bounty system is hardly even worth pixels it represent.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-06-17 15:56:20 UTC
You lost a retriever with half the slots missing. You could have bought a procurer, tanked it up, and easily survived that gank. That was a decision you made.

Likewise you should usually not be losing cloaky frigates in low-sec and you should definitely not be getting podded. Null-sec can be a little harder, but there are ways to deal with it.

You've made some mistakes that new (and returning) players almost always make. Now you can either learn from those mistakes and figure out how to survive, or you can blame everyone else for being mean. When you come on this forum with your badditude you will be lucky to get any help. If instead you had phrased it "I'm struggling to surive, what can I do better?" you would have been showered in advice.

EVE is a harsh game that can be difficult for new (and returning) players because it rewards exploitation of knowledge. Either you learn or you sink. Playing the blame game won't get you anywhere, except to paint a big target on your back because no one likes a whiner.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

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Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-06-17 16:04:12 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
whatever you want to define it as, people have different definitions for what pvp is and someone with a gun shooting someone without a gun is not pvp

OP message me in game and ill srp your stuff for you so you can get started up again, we aint all asshats here


Our opinions on PvP matter not. CCP defines what PvP is in Eve and guess what, ganking IS PvP.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Kintaro Kitsuji
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-06-17 16:07:26 UTC
Haghala Connor wrote:
Returning to the game after 3 years of not playing all i have got from it so far is nothing but assholes in space.
My activities and experience the month i have been back is so far:

High-sec mining: Sins i only had about 20mil when i log on i decide to mine for some buffer isk. But thanks to CODE i get suicide ganked and lose more than i gain from mining. No warning, No Chat, Locked, Scramed and Blown to bits, Podded.

Fine sins the player base don't allow for solo mining anymore i just do some exploring, I Buy a magnet and fit it for exploring, All fine until i accidentally pressed "want to leave highsec" and enter a low sec system, Locked Scramed and blown to bits, podded.

I Try again with exploring, this time i use wormhole to get to null-sec, first gate jump: Interdicted and killed, podded.

In summary i have lost on average 2 ships per day to players, and on average being podded half of those times and that's only because they can't use interdiction bubbles. Every time the bubble is there People pod for no reason other than its "fun" to be an *******.

My worst experience so far is when i finally got enough isk buffer to feel that i can buy an astero and covert op cloak. I get to a random null sec system and begin to look for systems with 0 people in it (couse thats the only way not to get killed) after managed to make 2 sites a small gang of 4-5 people start to what i experience as hunt me down. Begins with that only them being at a gate, i only survive the first gate camp thanks to my odd warp-in angle and warp-cloak, after they hunting me through 6 systems my luck finally runs out and i enter a system where a camp is already set up. Thanks to the ******* interdiction bubbles and how cloaking works i have 0 chance of getting away, one of the campers get a lucky align on the short while i am up on overview and decloaks me and 100mil down the drain thanks to random assholes.

During my month back in eve i have meet exactly 1 person in space t hats not been a complete *******.

CCP really promotes people being assholes with their "Don't Fly alone"-program and how easy it is to "Engage on your own terms".

"Engage on your own terms" is a bullshit sentence, if that really were the case i should be able to warp away on my own terms, but thats impossible, a single interdiction bubble cancels out every warp stabs you put on the ship, don't matter if you have 1 or 100, you will not warp away, heck even if you put 3x warp stabs on a ship you will get scramed down sins a single faction module negates it, and it one don't work just stack two and its done, Assholes will always get the upper hand sins its cheap to fit 1-2x scramblers vs 4xstabs (that don't work on bubble camps).

"don't go exploring then" "Don't go to low sec then" "don't go to null sec" "learn to d-scan"

EVE has alot of problem and majority of the playerbase is one of them, sites like zkillboards and eve-kill helps with adding fuel to the the fire.

Another bad experience i get is when running L3 Missions, and that's Assholes that hunt mission runners, Couse everyone knows that you have to have a pvp fit to do L3-missions in a battlecruiser, Scramed, dented the attacker shield before second ******* shows up and finishes the jobb. was lucky and managed to warp away before locked and podded.

Next time CCP makes a "this is eve" trailer, maybe they should show what the game is realy about: Gatecamps, podding, gang ups, warp scrambles, hauler bumpings, mission runner killing, and trick new players with the "help channel" and "eve univeristy" to believe that everyone you meet is not out to kill you.

I'm going to give this game another two weeks, if i continue to face nothing but assholes in this game by then i am contactin customer support for a refund of the subscription.


I like how we're all assholes for playing Eve Online. Does this mean that everyone playing World of Warcraft is a whining, entitled child? No, of course not. Painting with a broad brush is a surefire way to make sure your time spent in New Eden is painful.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-06-17 16:10:17 UTC
Mistake 1: whining on the forum
Mistake 2: blaming others for own faults
Mistake 3: blaming CCP for bad balance

The Holy Trinity ...

I'm my own NPC alt.

Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#30 - 2015-06-17 16:12:01 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
You lost a retriever with half the slots missing. You could have bought a procurer, tanked it up, and easily survived that gank. That was a decision you made.

Likewise you should usually not be losing cloaky frigates in low-sec and you should definitely not be getting podded. Null-sec can be a little harder, but there are ways to deal with it.

You've made some mistakes that new (and returning) players almost always make. Now you can either learn from those mistakes and figure out how to survive, or you can blame everyone else for being mean. When you come on this forum with your badditude you will be lucky to get any help. If instead you had phrased it "I'm struggling to surive, what can I do better?" you would have been showered in advice.

EVE is a harsh game that can be difficult for new (and returning) players because it rewards exploitation of knowledge. Either you learn or you sink. Playing the blame game won't get you anywhere, except to paint a big target on your back because no one likes a whiner.


The Retriver loss was one that i had from playing session years ago when CODE and the like didn't exist or was so low that i didn't even notice them hence my first encounter with 2xCode gankers where "my fault for not hailing the great all mighty james 315"

Losing a cloaky ship is real easy when i at the time didn't even know of the mwd jump trick (no tutorial there) and majority happens due to gate camps either at entry gate(why d-scan only be 14au i do not now) or exit gate camp (now you are dead, period)

My bad attitude on the forums comes from what i revived in game, EVE don't have a nice Beginners guide how you survie tutorial, it has a 12 stop "opputnity" that helps my grandma to dock at the station thats about it, and maybe the clutterd up forum/help chat/xxx thingy have a good, 101 of EVE survival but i have yet to find even a singel one that is up-to date with how all modules got rewamped or changed. Im not struggeling to survive, im struggling to not biomas my character.

How man i painting a bigger target than i already have? when i fly anything lower than 0.9 i feel like everyship i see in the overview is a singel lock away from scramble and killing me.
Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#31 - 2015-06-17 16:16:47 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Mistake 1: whining on the forum
Mistake 2: blaming others for own faults
Mistake 3: blaming CCP for bad balance

The Holy Trinity ...


1. Point taken.
2. Yeah, you are right, its my fault for wanting to explore, so other players must stop me and pod me for wanting to play CCP's game.
3. The Balance on Warp disruption is a problem, interdiction bubbles got 0 counters that i know of.
Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-06-17 16:31:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Hayson
Haghala Connor wrote:
3. The Balance on Warp disruption is a problem, interdiction bubbles got 0 counters that i know of

Ever heard of nullified T3s, and interceptors and micro jump drives and MWDs?

Haghala Connor wrote:
i feel like everyship i see in the overview is a singel lock away from scramble and killing me.

Then you already learned an important lesson: in EVE everyone is trying to kill you.
You should probably read this post of CCP Falcon.
Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#33 - 2015-06-17 16:36:42 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:
Haghala Connor wrote:
3. The Balance on Warp disruption is a problem, interdiction bubbles got 0 counters that i know of

Ever heard of nullified T3s, and interceptors and micro jump drives and MWDs?

Haghala Connor wrote:
i feel like everyship i see in the overview is a singel lock away from scramble and killing me.

Then you already learned an important lesson: in EVE everyone is trying to kill you.
You should probably read this post of CCP Falcon.


Never heard of Nullified t3, I know about the interceptors, MWD's never have the time to kick in before camps kill me, i will look into MJD's, couse if they work anything like they sound they might be the only thing i find a true counter to interdiction bubbles.

Thanks for the information.
ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#34 - 2015-06-17 16:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
Haghala Connor wrote:

To be honest, the fault lies with CCP's "balance" team, and how they neglected how powerful warb disrupts and interdiction bubbles are, and how little if any that can be done to counter them.
CCP's have done it overly easy for gankers and "pirates" to do what they do without any repercussions. Even Bounty system is hardly even worth pixels it represent.


Hello,

Just putting my 2 cents in on this.

Warp Disruption/Scramblers can be countered fairly easily with the use of Warp Core Stabilizers. Now they do have a downside but the WCS will add warp strength to your ship allowing you to counter a few warp disruptors/scramblers.. You could also use an ECM burst to try to get them to lose their lock preventing them from shooting you and preventing you from warping away. Please note in hi-sec space if you hit a neutral ships not suspect or aggroed on you this will bring CONCORD down on top of you. Also you could use the Target Breaker if you are in a battleship to help break the lock. This works best when a lot of ships are locking you.


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ship_Equipment:Propulsion_:Propulsion_Upgrades:Warp_Core_Stabilizers
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ship_Equipment:Electronic_Warfare:ECM_Bursts
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ship_Equipment:Electronic_Warfare:Target_Breaker
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ship_Equipment:Electronic_Warfare:Electronic_Counter_Measures

With bubbles you could use an interceptor to fly around in those aren't affected by bubbles. The MWD/Cloak has already been explained. Alternatively if you are flying a big enough ship and aren't warp scrambled you could use the Medium/Large Micro Jump Drive (Limited to BC/BS class ships). You could also look at an Interdiction Nullifier for a Tech 3 class ship aka Strategic Cruiser (Tengu, Legion, Proteus, Loki). The use of Afterburners and Microwarp drives also can help you speed up to get away quickly. If you are in a small ship try to keep your transverse up so larger guns have a harder time hitting you.


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Frigates:Advanced_Frigates:Interceptors
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ship_Equipment:Propulsion
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Legion_Propulsion_-_Interdiction_Nullifier



Don't get too frustrated it at the start you will lose more ships then you will save. Consider every loss a learning experience. Every pilot goes through this process and try to improve on the mistakes of the past. If you want to go mining look else where would look for a quite system away from trade hubs and main travel routes. It might be a bit more work to bring your goods to the hubs but you won't be ganked constantly.

Hope some of this helps! Feel free to send me a mail if you have questions and I'll do my best to answer them.

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-06-17 16:51:46 UTC
Game has Anonymous Online Interaction

OP seems surprised people are "Internet Bad Asses"



It's almost like re-readiing through the Sociopath Survey that got posted a few weeks back ...
Apparently almost everyone that plays EVE is the craziest head-case to walk the planet ever ....
Because it was an anonymous online test .........
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-06-17 16:58:09 UTC
Haghala Connor wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
You lost a retriever with half the slots missing. You could have bought a procurer, tanked it up, and easily survived that gank. That was a decision you made.

Likewise you should usually not be losing cloaky frigates in low-sec and you should definitely not be getting podded. Null-sec can be a little harder, but there are ways to deal with it.

You've made some mistakes that new (and returning) players almost always make. Now you can either learn from those mistakes and figure out how to survive, or you can blame everyone else for being mean. When you come on this forum with your badditude you will be lucky to get any help. If instead you had phrased it "I'm struggling to surive, what can I do better?" you would have been showered in advice.

EVE is a harsh game that can be difficult for new (and returning) players because it rewards exploitation of knowledge. Either you learn or you sink. Playing the blame game won't get you anywhere, except to paint a big target on your back because no one likes a whiner.


The Retriver loss was one that i had from playing session years ago when CODE and the like didn't exist or was so low that i didn't even notice them hence my first encounter with 2xCode gankers where "my fault for not hailing the great all mighty james 315"

Losing a cloaky ship is real easy when i at the time didn't even know of the mwd jump trick (no tutorial there) and majority happens due to gate camps either at entry gate(why d-scan only be 14au i do not now) or exit gate camp (now you are dead, period)

My bad attitude on the forums comes from what i revived in game, EVE don't have a nice Beginners guide how you survie tutorial, it has a 12 stop "opputnity" that helps my grandma to dock at the station thats about it, and maybe the clutterd up forum/help chat/xxx thingy have a good, 101 of EVE survival but i have yet to find even a singel one that is up-to date with how all modules got rewamped or changed. Im not struggeling to survive, im struggling to not biomas my character.

How man i painting a bigger target than i already have? when i fly anything lower than 0.9 i feel like everyship i see in the overview is a singel lock away from scramble and killing me.


Gods, you're a whiner. Your bad attitude comes from you, not EvE. You didn't ask the right questions when you got destroyed. Instead of saying "****! These guys are assholes and only want to **** with me!!" you SHOULD have said "Hmm. Okay, what can I do next time to ensure my survival?"

Gallant and Goofus.

Guess which one you are.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.

Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#37 - 2015-06-17 16:58:54 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Game has Anonymous Online Interaction

OP seems surprised people are "Internet Bad Asses"



It's almost like re-readiing through the Sociopath Survey that got posted a few weeks back ...
Apparently almost everyone that plays EVE is the craziest head-case to walk the planet ever ....
Because it was an anonymous online test .........


LOL, i have to look that one up, sounds amusing.
Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#38 - 2015-06-17 17:07:44 UTC
Bellatrix Invicta wrote:


Gods, you're a whiner. Your bad attitude comes from you, not EvE. You didn't ask the right questions when you got destroyed. Instead of saying "****! These guys are assholes and only want to **** with me!!" you SHOULD have said "Hmm. Okay, what can I do next time to ensure my survival?"

Gallant and Goofus.

Guess which one you are.


Funny, I Applaud you for posting from your CODE Character, not many "followers" of CODE does so, and yes i am very bios against CODE and assume anyone and anything regarding CODE to be the great stain on EVE, because CODE shows exactly how bad sandbox games can be.

With that said, you have a point, and usually when i have no idea how to counter something i have either contacted the person ganking, or read up on what went wrong. Only time when that have been a bad experience is when CODE was involved, other times i actually learned something.

I'm Gallant when the fight was a good fight, but locking down a frigate with 3-4xT3 Destroyers is not a good fight, its simple Gank and i will be a goofus about those fights.
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-06-17 17:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bellatrix Invicta
Haghala Connor wrote:
Bellatrix Invicta wrote:


Gods, you're a whiner. Your bad attitude comes from you, not EvE. You didn't ask the right questions when you got destroyed. Instead of saying "****! These guys are assholes and only want to **** with me!!" you SHOULD have said "Hmm. Okay, what can I do next time to ensure my survival?"

Gallant and Goofus.

Guess which one you are.


Funny, I Applaud you for posting from your CODE Character, not many "followers" of CODE does so, and yes i am very bios against CODE and assume anyone and anything regarding CODE to be the great stain on EVE, because CODE shows exactly how bad sandbox games can be.

With that said, you have a point, and usually when i have no idea how to counter something i have either contacted the person ganking, or read up on what went wrong. Only time when that have been a bad experience is when CODE was involved, other times i actually learned something.

I'm Gallant when the fight was a good fight, but locking down a frigate with 3-4xT3 Destroyers is not a good fight, its simple Gank and i will be a goofus about those fights.


You can continue focusing on my alliance and/or corp instead of actually reading and understanding what I'm telling you. I'm not lying to you nor am I offering bad advice. Your vision is so tainted by what you perceive as "injustice" you're not willing to listen to someone who is honestly trying to tell you what you should have done.

This topic only serves to prove my point.

Edit: Bolded part is important. Until you understand and fully realize that 3 on 1 or 10 on 1 is a fully legitmate and allowed playstyle you will continue to rage and be angry at losing internet spaceships in a game designed to destroy internet spaceships.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2015-06-17 17:11:52 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Game has Anonymous Online Interaction

OP seems surprised people are "Internet Bad Asses"



It's almost like re-readiing through the Sociopath Survey that got posted a few weeks back ...
Apparently almost everyone that plays EVE is the craziest head-case to walk the planet ever ....
Because it was an anonymous online test .........

Oh there's one of those every couple of weeks, it's always the same platypus... Err thing going on.
someone can't separate their irl emotional value responses from ingame digital actions and is indignant about others doing so.
This is almost always pointed out by one of the more articulate players who is immediately accused of being a sociopath.
this is followed by several other people (sensing weakness, potential for trolling and or blood) stirring the pot,usually CODE.

By page three the pitch forks and torches come out (sold by some entrepreneuring individual with a sense for a quick profit) and chants of "E1" start echoing in the thread.

At this point tippia awakens from her slumber to feast upon the belligerently misinformed in the thread,slapping everyone in sight back into their childhood with razor sharp logic

Tippia is accused of being a sociopath

After this is let go on for a couple of days the isd nuke the thread (again ) and tell everyone to go home.

As I said, I can do this whole thread on my own and I daresay a few others could aswell.