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Did the Jove aid our development and are the Drifters the coming dark?

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Reinheart Novan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2015-06-14 04:27:49 UTC
For over a year I have been investigating the possible locations of the Ametat & Avetat which were lost from the Empire in antiquity. As part of this I have been looking at those societies which have risen with a rapid an unexplained jump in technology or ability. Given the correlation in time I had begun with the Takmahl, but this has subsequently led to the Talocan and, more recently I have begun looking at Sansha's nation.

Both the Takmahl and Sansha have begun as an offshoot of one of our existing civilisations but rapidly accelerated in their development. The Takmahl in biotech and Cybernetics and Sansha with his mind control implants and wormhole technology. The beginnings of the Talcocan are unknown but the evidence seems to suggest that their society suddenly crashed much like the Takmahl.

Looking at the other end of the process has been more problematic but the sudden jump in our own technology, from the Pod had come from the Jove. From what I have learnt so far at least part of the Sansha implants also appear to indicate a Jovian link.

Feeding into this has also been the recent revelation of the Jovian Observatories. Pilots using Entosis links appear to have shown a strong likelihood that the purpose of these towers was to observe our development and report that back, presumably to the leadership of the Jove in their space. This indicates a strong interest in at least monitoring that development, and a reasonable deduction from that is they may have had some role in shaping how that development has progressed.

However, what also played in the back of my mind was a note and discussion with Dr Valate at the Seyllin Conference recently. Following my presentation she posited that maybe the Sleepers, or what we have come to call the Drifters, may have played a part in the collapse of the Takmahl.

With the recent exploration of Anoikis it seems the Sansha have been struck at, there are reports of massive devastation of their fleets with these "shattered wormholes" we had reports of them fleeing systems without the use of their wormhole technology.

What that has led to is a thought that maybe the Jove, for their ancient antiquity, may have been subtly guiding humanity on a path back to the level of development or Society had before the dark age. As the Empire has seen in our Lords great program, bringing backward Societies into our current age can be a terrible shock and raise a number of issues that a firm hand and the word of God is needed to manage effectively. Maybe the Jove, having unfortunately turned their back on God's teachings, have been trying something similar but slower and more subtly.

This has led me to wonder about the darkness in the shadows of the light of progress. Are the Drifters the other side of the Jove and seeing development reach some unknown level they will swarm in to take us back to some unknown level? Is that what caused the Dark age originally? Alternatively are they some automaton force used by the Jove for when things go down a path they do not wish?

With what we have seen with the Jove gate network, the observatories and their attacks on our shipping it would seem something has happened to the Jove. My concern is that, maybe, the Drifter fleet has turned on them in a way much like the drones did to create the Rogue Drone menace from the Gallenteans. With the infinitely more powerful weapons and technology we have seen from these drifters one could imagine they could have an effect. Especially if the Jove were using them as their enforcers.

I do have strong concerns about how these events will unfold. We are seeing increased activity within the Empire. I do not know what it is in the other areas of the cluster. However, being the largest and most developed civilisation Amarr maybe their first target. Maybe the Sansha are fighting on two fronts and their continued incursions are now becoming an attempt to escape their space.

I do not know the questions to test this hypothesis but offer my assistance to those investigating already.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2015-06-14 07:30:03 UTC
There's a lot of evidence that the Jove have been interfering in the affairs of other races, but it's likely that this is for their benefit not ours.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2015-06-14 09:45:52 UTC
The idea that the neo Sansha Nation came back, not for revenge as some have postulated, or just out of conquest, need for biomass, or just outright expansionism, instead of staying in Anoikis, but out of necessity because they were chased out of Anoikis by a threat bigger than them, is intriguing...
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#4 - 2015-06-14 13:11:38 UTC
It's interesting what the fevered mind dreams up.

Pilot Novan, the second generation Incursions are a strike at dangerous Capsuleer forces of New Eden. To suggest otherwise is to invent from nothing a reason for that which is already explained.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2015-06-14 18:17:15 UTC
Well, they do not make much... sense to most people not privy to Sansha Kuvakei secrets so... I suppose it is understandable that people... speculate... and try to make more sense out of it...
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#6 - 2015-06-14 22:30:33 UTC
Could just ask.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#7 - 2015-06-15 05:54:35 UTC
Ah, as it turns out, I have made other discoveries since then, that would appear to support a different cause of the sudden collapse of the Takmahl Empire.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2015-06-15 10:29:44 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Could just ask.


To whom ? To Sansha himself ?

Do you have his galnet coordinates or something ?
Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#9 - 2015-06-15 10:53:45 UTC
It is a pity we can't just ask the Jove which portion of which factions assisted in our various developments and which portions of which factions are acting against development. The answers would make matters somewhat clearer.
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-06-15 22:43:30 UTC
This is a subject that my colleagues and I have been discussing for some time. Why did the Jove give us capsule tech? Have they distributed technology to other groups before that?

From the way the Drifters have been behaving, I doubt that they are being controlled by the Jove, at least not anymore. It is highly possible that we disturbed them by venturing into Anoikis and they now see us as a threat, but the events surrounding Caroline's star would point to a much larger picture.

I had also made the connection between the Takmahl and the Sansha, though i had not thought of them being driven out of wormholes by the Drifters.. Ms. Polevhia, are you implying that there is no link here? Do you have any evidence that would back this up, or would you like us to go and have tea with Mr. Kuvakei? If you could arrange a date that would be fantastic.

It is interesting that the Empress releases a new shield technology to us, and yet almost immediately we find a way to circumvent its effects. I suspect there is a greater game being played then we are aware of. It would do us good to combine our efforts in this regard.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Reinheart Novan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2015-06-16 08:37:19 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Ah, as it turns out, I have made other discoveries since then, that would appear to support a different cause of the sudden collapse of the Takmahl Empire.


Would you care to elaborate Dr Valate?

Evi Polevhia wrote:
Could just ask..


As Ms Bloodstone and Sister Farel have pointed out his contact details do not appear in any directory I have, if you could pass those on a nice cup of tea and a discussion would sort that out. Alternatively, if you have firm information on that point, I and others are happy to listen to it.

Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
From the way the Drifters have been behaving, I doubt that they are being controlled by the Jove, at least not anymore. It is highly possible that we disturbed them by venturing into Anoikis and they now see us as a threat, but the events surrounding Caroline's star would point to a much larger picture.


I do tend to agree, my concern is the Drifters are indeed the Jove's "Rogue Drones" and we will see their wrath once they have assimilated whatever data it is they and their seekers are gathering.
Gemini Tordanis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-06-18 17:51:25 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:


It is interesting that the Empress releases a new shield technology to us, and yet almost immediately we find a way to circumvent its effects.



Not just we. Imperial Armaments initiated research in to the Antikythera Element and Carthum decided to market the Entosis Link. Is it merely coincidence the Amarr are responsible for releasing classified shield tech, and again the Amarr develop a module that just so happens to negate it?


Some of the Gleaned Information retrieved from the Jovian Observatories are dated pre-Yoiul Conference. One such log entry dated 23121-09-11 reported the founding of the Gallente Federation, 28 years before the Jove revealed themselves to the Gallente and 72 years before they revealed themselves to the rest of the empires.

It is my opinion that the Drifters are the cybernetic husks of the fallen Jovian Empire, seeking the massive amounts of data collected for centuries at the Observatories. Their presence is entirely ominous.
Jade Blackwind
#13 - 2015-06-18 18:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
I am no Amarrian, but i've killed a few.

I think it is said:

"At the end of days, when THEY descend,
look for the coming of the Ark"


or something

So get you jump freighter friends up and ready!

heheā„¢

P.S. Oh, and the Talocans ended up much like we are about to. Hint: Talocan Static Gates.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#14 - 2015-06-19 17:15:59 UTC
Reinheart Novan wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Ah, as it turns out, I have made other discoveries since then, that would appear to support a different cause of the sudden collapse of the Takmahl Empire.


Would you care to elaborate Dr Valate?


Oh, of course.

You see, I have made some more archaeological discoveries, including some more documents and data storage media, that describe partially, the circumstances leading up to the fall of the Takmahl Empire.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.