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Lazyness in Eve, where does it come from?
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-06-15 22:30:07 UTC
There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.

So i'm really wonder about this kind of current behaviour is that shows us that vets got tired or bored and their major wish to make most things an AFKailable or it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2015-06-15 22:37:34 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-06-15 22:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.


"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."


Plato Circa 400 BC


It's the same thing repeated over the past 3000 years. Every generation bemoans how the generation after them is lazy, unruly, etc.

Can we stop this silliness?



Besides the meta game in this game is nothing but drama queens trying to out drama each other. It's boring.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-06-15 22:57:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
You just confirmed the Plato's words. It is cute.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-06-16 00:12:52 UTC
Well i wouldn't call it lazy, I'd call it math adverse. Funny thing is, people who play video games in RL for the amount of time it takes t be good in EVE are considered lazy by people who don't. Maybe I should tell them about all the hard work the video game takes.....
Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-06-16 01:31:50 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.

Why, in my day we had to make bookmarks for all the gates we wanted to go through. Both ways! And dad-gum we liked it that way.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#7 - 2015-06-16 01:43:39 UTC
Aerasia wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.
Why, in my day we had to make bookmarks for all the gates we wanted to go through. Both ways! And dad-gum we liked it that way.
I still make at least one and maybe more bookmarks for every gate.
(Not warp to 0 but tacticals)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-06-16 02:15:35 UTC
we've always been lazy, its just pesky ccp keeps changing things so we keep having to find new ways to be lazy. For years cap stable missile boats were the norm for pve, then missiles got changed, and we moved to cap injected. not sure if it happened at the same time or after, but then we moved to guns because of the instantly applied damage, and damage type not mattering quite as much, although there is preference for the mach as it can swap damage type to an extent. Drone boats got more interesting as drone mods are a thing now. plus with the gurista ships and the huge drone HP bonuses. The MJD was a huge boon to laziness! and auto-targeting missiles don't hit structures anymore.

I'm lazy and I'm making more isk than ever \o/

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Sietemaka Sevenfolde
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-06-16 02:53:25 UTC
Perhaps it's the height of "lazyness" not to spell check laziness. Irony, lost on the newer generations. Lol
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-06-16 02:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Laziness in EVE, such as not being bothered to learn how to spell "laziness" before you use it. THAT kind of laziness?

People don't become someone else if they start playing a video game. They may think they do. They may wish they do. However, 9 out of 10 mental health professionals agree - you do not. That "one" plays video games, by the way.

If you're lazy coming in, you're gonna be lazy as you play. If you're tiresomely energetic...then yes, you'll be just as annoying to your fellow players as you are to your family members. Making an avatar and naming it something cool does not turn you into someone else.

IF you're lazy. You're lazy. If you're not. You're not. Remember. Ultimately, you're just moving a mouse around and clicking buttons while pounding keyboard keys. You're doing all this while SITTING IN A CHAIR. HOW much more LAZY can you GET?

You are NOT outside running an under four minute mile. You are not practicing your javelin. You are not even flying a KITE.

RIGHT?

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#11 - 2015-06-16 02:56:10 UTC
Its human nature to micromanage things and become more and more efficient for less and less work involved over time. In this gap we consider our profits. If I am more efficient or do less work I can get paid more than another who isnt. Its something humanity as a whole is taught from birth really.

Then you add the fact that people get bored of grinding over time for goals, as in the beginning the grind was exciting in and of itself for some people, and instead just want the same isk, or more, as before while trying to find a way around DOING the work.

Ironically I think its part of the evolution of the meta atm. More and more people "being honest", or straight out "begging" in local. And if one does the herd is soon to follow and it has.


So no I dont think that people in game are actually less lazy, theyre just saying it more and its more apparent.

As for people not wanting to dive in and actually learn the game thats also a function of human nature. Ive had so many people say hey u know the game heres my toons API, just tell me what to train. Hey I want to be a PvP god!! Tell me how!! Rather than enjoying the learning process they really only have learned to enjoy the reward. To me this game has been solely about the journey and not the destination. Ive enjoyed diving in and getting dirty to learn the intricacies of how things interact but Ive come to realize that Im very much a minority in that case.

I think a lot of parents do this to their children too in RL. I made X and Y mistakes so Im going to shield my child from all of that, and buy them happiness and success. Helicopter parenting et al really. Forgetting that life is about making the mistakes and doing things rather than just looking at the answer in the back of the math textbook. In life you gotta show your work not just your answers. Its about the knowing the way to the right answer. Most people only want the right answer, and in Eve that is usually min/max be that PvE or PvP. Moar iskies!! or Moar killmails!! They dont want to know why X beats Y or why that market change happened. Because frankly thinking is hard, its time consuming and well people are lazy lol. Besides they got better things to do with their time than read or think or study.... drink beer, post porn gifs and talk **** about absolutely nothing with their buddies!!

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#12 - 2015-06-16 02:57:39 UTC
Sietemaka Sevenfolde wrote:
Perhaps it's the height of "lazyness" not to spell check laziness. Irony, lost on the newer generations. Lol

It's in keeping with the thread:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lazyness
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-06-16 03:55:53 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Sietemaka Sevenfolde wrote:
Perhaps it's the height of "lazyness" not to spell check laziness. Irony, lost on the newer generations. Lol

It's in keeping with the thread:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lazyness



At least someone spent somtime to go and check. So, definitely not a lazy person.Blink

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-06-16 03:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
Double post

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-06-16 04:01:07 UTC
Its a freaking VIDEO GAME DUDE

I go to school
I go to work
I deal with my parents nagging
I deal with my sexy ass smoking hot girlfriend nagging
I go to work some more
I go so some homework




Then i logon to play internet freaking spaceships with drones and laserbeams and make explosions.

You treat Mario or Madden Nfl or Halo like a job? No its a freaking passtime VIDEO GAME DUDE
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-06-16 04:24:42 UTC
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
#17 - 2015-06-16 04:25:37 UTC
I'm even to lazy to log on. What?
Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
#18 - 2015-06-16 06:12:48 UTC
It's in our nature, be it in a game or in real life, to try and make things easier for us.

That's how we survive, how we evolve. That's were progress comes from: hard work so that we don't have to work hard anymore.

Here comes a time, ganker,

When blingfits cease to sparkle,

When hermophite looses its luster,

When the station hangar becomes a prison

And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-06-16 07:04:09 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Its a freaking VIDEO GAME DUDE

I go to school
I go to work
I deal with my parents nagging
I deal with my sexy ass smoking hot girlfriend nagging
I go to work some more
I go so some homework




Then i logon to play internet freaking spaceships with drones and laserbeams and make explosions.

You treat Mario or Madden Nfl or Halo like a job? No its a freaking passtime VIDEO GAME DUDE


Calm down, it's just a video game.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Beta Maoye
#20 - 2015-06-16 07:16:39 UTC
I think they should keep fleetwarp to probe results and bookmarks. Furthermore, they should add two more fleet functions, fleettargetting and fleetF1. Then Eve will be a perfect game for me.
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