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[Proposal]Temporarily remove NEX store/reevaluate NEX prices.
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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-09-13 14:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
(carry-over from old forums)
*edit included at end of post*

TL;DR Summary:
1) NEX store is pointless because nobody else can see your purchases except you.
2) Incarna in its current form (aka CQ) is annoying and a massive waste of time.
3) NEX clothing should not cost more than RL clothing.
4) The playerbase has rejected the microtransaction model.



We all get where CCP is going with Incarna. It's a great addition to the game that's long overdue and what many new players have been asking for. We get that. However what we currently have is Captains Quarters. A massive project that look a long time to develop. Yay great, I can walk around by myself in this lone office and sometimes look at my active ship (assuming it's not glitched out which most of the time it is). And that's about it. All that time and effort that went into developing this expansion and yet its content only lasted 5 minutes before we've seen it all. Lame

With CQ, we also got the Noble Exchange. A way for players to break up PLEX into a new currency called AUR. Great, but the main problem with this is that CQ is a single player experience which entirely defeats the purpose of vanity sales. Why spend real money for ingame money used for character clothing purchases when nobody else can see? Releasing the NEX with CQ was a bad idea. It should be removed and reintroduced when players can eventually interact with each other. Currently it's just a waste.

Speaking of NEX, the prices are just plain bad. We've all heard how awful they are but people generally like to see it for themselves so here's a few numbers to give you an idea of just how bad it really is:


Quote:

A single PLEX converted into AUR: 3,500
Cost of a single PLEX in dollars: $20 (per EvE Onlines website PLEX cost)
Cost of a single PLEX in ISK: 370,000,000 (current Jita price)

1 AUR in Dollars: 0.005 Cents
1 AUR in ISK: 105,714

Cost of cheapest item in AUR: 1,000
Cost of cheapest item in Dollars: $5.71
Cost of cheapest item in ISK: 105,714,000

Cost of most expensive item in AUR: 12,000
Cost of most expensive item in Dollars: $68.57
Cost of most expensive item in ISK: 1,268,568,000

Average cost of Tops in AUR: 3,100
Average cost of Tops in Dollars: $17.71
Average cost of Tops in ISK: 327,713,400

Average cost of Bottoms in AUR: 3,900
Average cost of Bottoms in Dollars: $22.28
Average cost of Bottoms in ISK: 412,284,600

Average cost of Shoes in AUR: 3,100
Average cost of Shoes in Dollars: $17.71
Average cost of Shoes in ISK: 327,713,400

Average cost of Accessories (excluding monocle) in AUR: 2,300
Average cost of Accessories (excluding monocle) in Dollars: $13.14
Average cost of Accessories (excluding monocle) in ISK: 243,142,200

Cost of EvE Online monthly subscription: $15.00

Average cost of Top at Wal-Mart: $15.00
Average cost of Top in EvE Online: $17.71



Ironically, a shirt at Wal-Mart is cheaper than a shirt from the NEX. Not much needs to be said about the infamous monocle as it's so often used as the point of reference in arguments against CCP's microtransaction model.

CCP needs to reevaluate the prices (aka bring them down). At their current prices there's nothing micro about these transactions at all. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Especially since many of the vanity items cost more than the game itself.



*edit*
Adding this bit in along with point #4.
So I was browsing Jita's market today, specifically the apparel section, and to my surprise there's almost nothing for sale. A few articles of clothing seem to have come from Incursion content, but overall there's a complete lack of apparel items for sale. I'm left wondering why.

How long has CQ/Incarna/NEX been out? Since late June? Shocked
It's mid September now yet the apparel market is barren. Savvy traders should've been all over that by now. They've had almost 3 months to get on that yet they haven't. Why?

No sellers, no buyers, no interest. What a horrible waste of an expansion. All that developer time and effort invested in creating content the playerbase, as a whole, rejected. It's not just a vocal minority that's speaking out against the microtransaction model. The silent majority has spoken too via their ingame actions. Through their actions they have said "No. I will not waste my time/effort/money on this garbage."

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Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#2 - 2011-09-14 11:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechael
Better idea: Remove the NeX store entirely, get the artists working on designing station interiors instead. CCP can still grow fat from the profits on subscriptions and PLEX so long as they tone down their promised productions of Dust514 and WoD.

**EDIT** By "entirely" I mean for the foreseeable future.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-09-14 14:04:22 UTC
NeX Store is fine how it is. If you don't like it then ignore it and don't use it. Problem solved. They can adjust prices and add new items and content without removing anything.

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Lex Xero
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-09-14 14:18:44 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
NeX Store is fine how it is. If you don't like it then ignore it and don't use it. Problem solved. They can adjust prices and add new items and content without removing anything.


I don't think the NeX store itself is the heart of the problem, it's that CCP spent an entire expansion period on making this garbage, and for what? Like the OP said, 5 minutes of new content?

The NeX store symbolizes a terrible waste of EVE resources when there are much more productive things CCP could focus on like actual new spaceship content and/or refining/finishing existing mechanics.

So, I think think the NeX store should be gone as well, and CCP stop wasting everyone's time with this garbage. Bring it back when walking in stations is feasible, but really I could care less about that too. However, it would make more sense then. Aurum needs to die, and prices of NeX items revisited for sure if it's going to stay.

That's my two cents.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-09-14 14:43:30 UTC
CQ was a massive undertaking, it takes lots of time to make a good thing in eve turn into laggy brown closet or picture of door.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-09-14 14:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelie Onren
Lex Xero wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
NeX Store is fine how it is. If you don't like it then ignore it and don't use it. Problem solved. They can adjust prices and add new items and content without removing anything.


I don't think the NeX store itself is the heart of the problem, it's that CCP spent an entire expansion period on making this garbage, and for what? Like the OP said, 5 minutes of new content?

The NeX store symbolizes a terrible waste of EVE resources when there are much more productive things CCP could focus on like actual new spaceship content and/or refining/finishing existing mechanics.

So, I think think the NeX store should be gone as well, and CCP stop wasting everyone's time with this garbage. Bring it back when walking in stations is feasible, but really I could care less about that too. However, it would make more sense then. Aurum needs to die, and prices of NeX items revisited for sure if it's going to stay.

That's my two cents.


So it was a bad idea, so kill the only thing that is gathering data for them now in order to set the prices 'properly' when stations comes out? I think you have the whole software design model backwards. The NeX, in its current incarnation (pun intended) is what is collecting all the data on what price levels to set and what the market exists for vanity items. They can't just base NeX prices on some willy nilly notion that game clothes should cost the same as real life ones.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-14 16:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Lex Xero wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
NeX Store is fine how it is. If you don't like it then ignore it and don't use it. Problem solved. They can adjust prices and add new items and content without removing anything.


I don't think the NeX store itself is the heart of the problem, it's that CCP spent an entire expansion period on making this garbage, and for what? Like the OP said, 5 minutes of new content?

The NeX store symbolizes a terrible waste of EVE resources when there are much more productive things CCP could focus on like actual new spaceship content and/or refining/finishing existing mechanics.

So, I think think the NeX store should be gone as well, and CCP stop wasting everyone's time with this garbage. Bring it back when walking in stations is feasible, but really I could care less about that too. However, it would make more sense then. Aurum needs to die, and prices of NeX items revisited for sure if it's going to stay.

That's my two cents.



This.... big time.

There are countless bugs and glitches and issues that have consistently been overlooked/ignored for the last 2 to 3 expansinos... we do not need a freaking second life vanity aspect to this game.

It would be different if it was painting your ship or something.... but this is "Internet Spazeshipz online" and not "oh look at my fancy boots oh wait you can't but I spent 100s on them and you can haz not"

Honestly...even the CSM Minutes relfect prue unadultated ignorance and very nasty assumptions on the part of CCP.

All I got was "suck it" because we don't give a crap As far as NeX is concerned.
Asking us to ignore it is rather ironic...considering it literally does absolutiely nothing but eat money.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-09-14 19:41:21 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Lex Xero wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
NeX Store is fine how it is. If you don't like it then ignore it and don't use it. Problem solved. They can adjust prices and add new items and content without removing anything.


I don't think the NeX store itself is the heart of the problem, it's that CCP spent an entire expansion period on making this garbage, and for what? Like the OP said, 5 minutes of new content?

The NeX store symbolizes a terrible waste of EVE resources when there are much more productive things CCP could focus on like actual new spaceship content and/or refining/finishing existing mechanics.

So, I think think the NeX store should be gone as well, and CCP stop wasting everyone's time with this garbage. Bring it back when walking in stations is feasible, but really I could care less about that too. However, it would make more sense then. Aurum needs to die, and prices of NeX items revisited for sure if it's going to stay.

That's my two cents.



This.... big time.

There are countless bugs and glitches and issues that have consistently been overlooked/ignored for the last 2 to 3 expansinos... we do not need a freaking second life vanity aspect to this game.

It would be different if it was painting your ship or something.... but this is "Internet Spazeshipz online" and not "oh look at my fancy boots oh wait you can't but I spent 100s on them and you can haz not"

Honestly...even the CSM Minutes relfect prue unadultated ignorance and very nasty assumptions on the part of CCP.

All I got was "suck it" because we don't give a crap As far as NeX is concerned.
Asking us to ignore it is rather ironic...considering it literally does absolutiely nothing but eat money.


Wrong! And it is that kind of narrowmindedness that is the problem with everybody and all this bitching and whining on the forums. This is NOT "internet spaceships online". This is "EvE Online"...CCP wants this to be a space simulator. That means people walking in stationgs. Get over it already. EvE is a business for CCP. They need to make money from it. "Unadultated" is not even a word. "Ignorance" is and it applies to you thinking you know more about what should be done in EvE than anybody else.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-09-14 19:57:13 UTC
Youve not even a year old and you think you know best? Ignorance really is bliss. Go figure.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-09-14 22:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Drake Draconis wrote:
Youve not even a year old and you think you know best? Ignorance really is bliss. Go figure.


Im sorry? Im not even a year old? lol

I really did get a laugh out of that. But thank you for proving my point.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-09-14 22:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Yeah wahtever floats your boat.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-09-14 23:00:06 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Yeah wahtever floats your boat.


lol...you changed your post while I was responding. Realized my character is older than yours huh?

So...I gotta type all this out again.

Back on topic.

I agree with the OP in that the NeX store is pretty useless right now with the exception of headgear like eyes and goggles. CCP could have and should have been released with a little more tact. Lower price points would have been good to make it look better than being raped for PLEX. However I don't think the NeX store should be brought down just for this.

One thing to keep in mind is that EvE is currently CCP's only method of income. We get free expansions twice a year (whether they are good in content or not is besides the point) and we have the option to pay for our gametime with in game currency. With the NeX store we can buy items with ISK, PLEX or by buying PLEX. Unless they release game breaking items into the NeX store (which they have promised not to at this point) this is a win win for all. You want them goggles? Buy em with ISK off the market or buy a PLEX and convert it to Aurum to buy them. With this model CCP gets a cut, the seller gets his ISK and the buyer gets his item. Who lost? CCP is the only game company I can think of that has implemented such a method so successfully.

Why people freak out over microtransactions is beyond me. People are worrying about something that might happen someday. Its silly, stop it.

To re-iterate what I stated earlier. To remove the NeX store would only hurt the income of CCP which in turn hurts the game and again in turn hurts the player. It is fine the way it is we just need a lot more items, a lot more content for everything and a larger focus on ships and balancing the core of EvE.

WiS and Incarna still have thier place in EvE. When Incarna is completed and you can fully walk in stations I predict this game will grow in numbers. The crybaby bitches that have quit playing EvE over all this silly nonesense have done nothing but perpetuate nonesense and hurt the game as a whole. Incarna is here to stay...WiS is here to stay. Microtransactions are here to stay. There are dev teams working solely on WiS and fluff content. Not every single dev will be devoted to fixing your specifically hated glitch, bug or desire. Get over it. Adapt or die.

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